[AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

Fri Mar 23 18:02:11 EST 2012

I am part of the melbournewireless.org.au 
<http://www.melbournewireless.org.au/maps/> group. I have 3 AP's that 
are interconnected and connectable across the Geelong area and into 
melbourne, connectivity to the internet is not available on this 
network(in general).  These 3 AP's are open with no encryption. People 
are encouraged to use the network ( see melb wireless main page ) to 
link people / private projects together. I wonder how this system would 
be viewed by the war-driving police. !! ??

Greg
VK3JIY.

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On 23/03/2012 4:52 PM, James Troy wrote:
>
> Unfortunately in the eyes of the law ignorance is not a defense.
>
> That being said, lets not forget that the law always trails the 
> technology by a good 5-15 years, im not sure if there is such wriggle 
> room to differentiate between public and private networks re: 
> unauthorised access.
>
> Thanks
>
> *James Troy****| **Network / Windows Administrator*
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> *From:*Joseph Saxton [mailto:Joe.Saxton at workforce.com.au]
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 March 2012 4:46 PM
> *To:* James Troy; Paul Wallace; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net
> *Subject:* RE: OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!
>
> True, using someone else's bandwidth that the owner pays is considered 
> stealing.
>
> How can you different an open network that is either private or 
> public. If I was going to court for unauthorised access to a computer 
> network that had no sort of security set up, I would argue 'the 
> network was open how do I know if its public or private'???....
>
> *From:*James Troy [mailto:james.troy at intralot.com.au] 
> <mailto:[mailto:james.troy at intralot.com.au]>
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 March 2012 16:41
> *To:* Joseph Saxton; Paul Wallace; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net 
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> *Subject:* RE: OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!
>
> Isnt data (bandwidth) a form of property, you buy it, it is a 
> commodity, therefore you own it, if someone uses it without your 
> permission is that not stealing?
>
> Thanks
>
> *James Troy****| **Network / Windows Administrator*
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> **
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> *INTRALOT GAMING SERVICES PTY LTD*
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> [A]299 Williamstown Road,
>
>      Port Melbourne VIC 3207
>
> [T]+ 61 3 9673 3993
>
> [E] james.troy at intralot.com.au <mailto:james.troy at intralot.com.au>
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> *From:*ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
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> <mailto:[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net]> *On Behalf Of 
> *Joseph Saxton
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 March 2012 4:40 PM
> *To:* Paul Wallace; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net 
> <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!
>
> That would relate to property wouldn't it?
>
> *From:*Paul Wallace [mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au] 
> <mailto:[mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au]>
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 March 2012 16:49
> *To:* Joseph Saxton; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net 
> <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* RE: OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!
>
> It's called trespass followed by theft!
>
> Old old common law
>
> Paul
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> <mailto:[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net]> *On Behalf Of 
> *Joseph Saxton
> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 3:32 PM
> *To:* Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!
>
> I don't agree. If its an open network without any sort of 
> authentication then you're not breaking any rules. If you remember 
> when telstra's customer details was somehow available to the public 
> internet due to poor security. There was no sort of login/authtication 
> system that protects that information. Therefore the users who 
> accessed that data shouldn't be in trouble. Nothing is stopping them 
> it's just freely available on google. its telstra's fault for not 
> implementing correct security.
>
> So if a user access's an open network that has no authentication or 
> any sort of security then I don't believe it is illegal. Its open, 
> therefore people can access it.
>
> *From:*ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
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> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Jarrod Hassell
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 March 2012 16:11
> *To:* ausnog at ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!
>
> If they actually connect to the AP without permission, could that be 
> classed as QPS hacking?
>
> Regardless of whether it's secure or not, unauthorised access to 
> computer systems is illegal, yes?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jarrod Hassell | Product Development Manager
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> PACNET
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> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Sean K. Finn
> *Sent:* Friday, 23 March 2012 10:46 AM
> *To:* 'Ausnog at ausnog.net'
> *Subject:* [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!
>
> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-to-cruise-streets-for-unsecured-wifi-20120322-1vmof.html
>
> "The project was *officially launched yesterday* 
> <http://qpsmedia.govspace.gov.au/2012/03/22/war-driving-project-to-help-prevent-identity-theft/> to 
> coincide with National Consumer Fraud Week.
>
> Officers in the Hi Tech Crime Investigation Unit on wardriving 
> missions will drive the streets of Brisbane with a laptop computer, 
> looking for unsecured Wi-Fi networks.
>
> Residents and businesses owners in targeted areas will then be mailed 
> information about how to effectively secure their connection.
>
> Police will return to the area some time later to check whether 
> residents have taken heed of the warning.
>
>
>
> Read more: 
> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-to-cruise-streets-for-unsecured-wifi-20120322-1vmof.html#ixzz1ptOph04u"
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