[AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

Fri Mar 23 16:57:19 EST 2012

Not always does the justice system go the way you think it goes.

I guess it all depends on what you were doing on that network.

From: James Troy [mailto:james.troy at intralot.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 16:52
To: Joseph Saxton; Paul Wallace; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: RE: OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

Unfortunately in the eyes of the law ignorance is not a defense.

That being said, lets not forget that the law always trails the
technology by a good 5-15 years, im not sure if there is such wriggle
room to differentiate between public and private networks re:
unauthorised access.

Thanks

James Troy | Network / Windows Administrator

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From: Joseph Saxton [mailto:Joe.Saxton at workforce.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 4:46 PM
To: James Troy; Paul Wallace; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: RE: OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

True, using someone else's bandwidth that the owner pays is considered
stealing. 

How can you different an open network that is either private or public.
If I was going to court for unauthorised access to a computer network
that had no sort of security set up, I would argue 'the network was open
how do I know if its public or private'???....

From: James Troy [mailto:james.troy at intralot.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 16:41
To: Joseph Saxton; Paul Wallace; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: RE: OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

Isnt data (bandwidth) a form of property, you buy it, it is a commodity,
therefore you own it, if someone uses it without your permission is that
not stealing?

Thanks

James Troy | Network / Windows Administrator

INTRALOT GAMING SERVICES PTY LTD

[A] 299 Williamstown Road, 

     Port Melbourne VIC 3207

[T] + 61 3 9673 3993

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Saxton
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 4:40 PM
To: Paul Wallace; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

That would relate to property wouldn't it? 

From: Paul Wallace [mailto:paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au] 
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 16:49
To: Joseph Saxton; Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: RE: OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

It's called trespass followed by theft!

Old old common law

Paul

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[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Saxton
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 3:32 PM
To: Jarrod Hassell; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

I don't agree. If its an open network without any sort of authentication
then you're not breaking any rules. If you remember when telstra's
customer details was somehow available to the public internet due to
poor security. There was no sort of login/authtication system that
protects that information. Therefore the users who accessed that data
shouldn't be in trouble. Nothing is stopping them it's just freely
available on google. its telstra's fault for not implementing correct
security.

So if a user access's an open network that has no authentication or any
sort of security then I don't believe it is illegal. Its open, therefore
people can access it. 

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [
mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Jarrod Hassell
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 16:11
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

If they actually connect to the AP without permission, could that be
classed as QPS hacking?

Regardless of whether it's secure or not, unauthorised access to
computer systems is illegal, yes?

Regards,

Jarrod Hassell | Product Development Manager

PACNET

Tel: +61.3.9674.7506

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [
mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Sean K. Finn
Sent: Friday, 23 March 2012 10:46 AM
To: 'Ausnog at ausnog.net'
Subject: [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-to-cruise-str
eets-for-unsecured-wifi-20120322-1vmof.html

"The project was officially launched yesterday
<http://qpsmedia.govspace.gov.au/2012/03/22/war-driving-project-to-help-
prevent-identity-theft/>  to coincide with National Consumer Fraud Week.

Officers in the Hi Tech Crime Investigation Unit on wardriving missions
will drive the streets of Brisbane with a laptop computer, looking for
unsecured Wi-Fi networks.

Residents and businesses owners in targeted areas will then be mailed
information about how to effectively secure their connection.

Police will return to the area some time later to check whether
residents have taken heed of the warning.

Read more: 
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-to-cruise-str
eets-for-unsecured-wifi-20120322-1vmof.html#ixzz1ptOph04u"

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