[AusNOG] ubiquitous peering

[Joshua D'Alton]

All the 2nd tier (well everyone besides Akamai is tier2 really :P) CDNs are
moving into APAC region, Edgecast for example are already here and
flourishing (downloaded Arma2 off GOG.com at 15MB/s just today), while
others like NetDNA are in the process of setting their networks up for 2013
release. All of that is moot though as it doesn't address beyond the
datacenter level. NBN really needs to have POI costing next to nothing,
building a datacenter for 100+ customers at every POI will just be
impossible obviously as some members have mentioned previously. When
FoxFlix wants to use a NBN they'll be stuck with at best trucking off the
bandwidth to the state capital city, at worst all the way to Sydney or
Perth.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Michael Kahl <michael at kahl.id.au> wrote:

> There may be benefits to peering within an NBN POI at some stage in the
> future if full end to end connectivity is restored (no NAT) or if there's a
> peer to peer "killer app" that dramatically changes traffic patterns, but
> for now even for the biggest players I'm guessing the traffic levels would
> make it difficult to even justify the port costs of peering within a POI,
> let alone buying cross connects, rackspace, etc.
>
> What seems really shortsighted of the NBN is that there's basically no
> provision for directly serving content to the end user out of the POI, and
> looking at most of the sites even if the NBN wanted to allow it they're
> going to be severely limited by lack of power and space with the sites
> they've chosen.
>
> This might not be a huge issue today in Australia seeing as there's very
> limited options available for streaming HD content, but it's only a matter
> of time. What happens when we have a Netflix available over here? Or even
> when Foxtel work out that broadcasting content is a thing of the past and
> people want the content they pay for available when they want it, ie
> streaming on demand.
>
> In the US the CDN's are already pushing into the local exchanges to keep
> up with the growing demand, but what happens next here? Is NBN confident in
> its bet that we won't need local content in the network that it says will
> be getting us through the next 50 years?
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Tom Sykes <tomsykes at nbnco.com.au> wrote:
>
>> This is one of the reasons why we are installing a series of RSP
>> co-location racks in all the POIs (I.e to enable someone to setup a peering
>> point of they wished. We understand traffic volumes today may not
>> necessarily justify it just yet though)
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Tom Sykes
>> NBN Co Limited
>>
>>
>> On 19/12/2012, at 5:43 PM, "Joseph Goldman" <joe at apcs.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> > The problem seems as you suggest, having full L3 gear at each POI,
>> possible for some, not for others who would probably rather L2 link it
>> straight back to a more central POP.
>> >
>> > However the idea has merit, I believe Adam Internet do a similar thing
>> with their ADSL2+ Infrastructure in South Australia. I only read a little
>> bit about it but I believe it is what you are talking about (exchange based
>> peering) but they control it in the sense of having a community server in
>> that area (newsgroups or DC or <other p2p protocol>. I can't seem to find
>> much info on it now though.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19/12/12 5:38 PM, Jake Anderson wrote:
>> >> So I was wondering and the list seems quiet.
>> >> With P2P content (games, skype etc not just torrents) soaking a decent
>> amount of traffic, and the NBN having relatively few "exchanges" if you
>> will, I wonder about the possibility of peering at that level.
>> >>
>> >> IE within each POI everybody sees if the traffic actually needs to
>> leave said POI.
>> >> Presumably routers and such would need to be configured automatically
>> but I wonder how much of a gain there would be from it.
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