[AusNOG] Data retention laws quietly being passed

[Steve Lisson]

Hi,

They still need a warrant, same rules as before, all I can see (solely
from comments here) is that request the data retention is started
earlier than the warrant being issued, not their access to the
information.

With how long I have personally seen it take for them to 'get the ball
rolling' on internet users blackmailing other internet users (and then
the behaviour having stopped by the time they were 'in-gear') I actually
see this as a positive step!

They still need to qualify for the warrant, if they don't get it they
don't get the information anyway. Have not read the legislation I do not
know if it is there, but maybe a time limit be imposed if not one
already? 24hrs, 48hrs or 1 week and then retained data destroyed?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Moyle-Croft
Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 2:41 PM
To: terry at skymesh.net.au
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Data retention laws quietly being passed

All Parties in power try to ensure the rules are such that they have the
most information and stay in power.

Absolute power corrupts.

MMC

On 22/08/2012, at 8:00 PM, Terry Sweetser (SkyMesh CTO)
<terry+AusNOG at skymesh.net.au> wrote:

> +1
> 
> http://about.me/terry.sweetser
> 
> 
> On 23/08/12 09:16, Paul Wallace wrote:
>> I remember the days when the Federal Labour party SUPPORTED rights
and opposed big brother.
>> 
>> I think we should institute a Federal Politicians Ombudsman, force
all MPs to become members (in the same way they force all Telco's to
join the TIO) then make those members pay fines in a similar way to how
the TIO currently fines Telcos each time anyone objects or complains.
>> 
>> The new Ombudsman will not receive any Government funding, thus
relying 100% on the fine revenue metered out to Politicians.
>> 
>> Ombudsman will not be provided with any power to bind complainants
per the TIOs similar position today.
>> 
>> .. and will embrace 100% of complaints, no matter how disengenous,
frivolous or even vexatious .. after all. if they rejected any
complaints as such then they'd lose revenue so even complaints with no
breaching Politicians basic rights will be investigated and a fine will
be issued.
>> 
>> Additionally if the Politician at issue is advised that he has
grounds to commence proceedings against the complainant then he will
have to pay the complainants costs in those proceedings.
>> 
>> Think I'm being silly now? Well no sadly, that is precisely how the
TIO operates today!
>> 
>> The last point re the need to pay their Costs in Proceedings occurs
when proceedings are commenced by the Telco whilst a complaint remains
before the TIO.
>> 
>> This legislation on top of the same crowd's passing of legislation
banning the deployment of fibre into homes renders them as perhaps the
worst Government since the war IMHO.
>> 
>> It also now makes me wonder how long it will be before Stephen Conroy
floats his 'filter' bill again.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone powered by Polyfone Telecom
>> 
>> 
>> On 23/08/2012, at 8:21 AM, "Kai"<vk6ksj at westnet.com.au>  wrote:
>> 
>>> New law to control cyber data
>>>
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/new-law-to-control-cybe
r-data-20120822-24mur.html
>>> 
>>> Scope creep here we come.
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