[AusNOG] Death of the Unlimited Plan? [was] "Sewer broadband provider dumped" - Brisbane fibre plan scrapped

[Damien Morris]

Would it be completely ridiculous to use the analogy of an expensive motorway that uses tolls to recoup the cost to build, which at least would open the door for the unlimited plan to make a return at a later date..?

(I'm aware that many motorways continue to charge tolls despite recouping their costs already, but there'll be other factors at play here)

Cheers,
Damien.


On 24/03/2011, at 7:14 AM, Bevan Slattery wrote:

> Seems like a few teclo's may have found my calculator...
> 
> http://www.smartcompany.com.au/internet/20110323-nbn-wholesale-pricing-model-threatens-unlimited-plans-telcos-warn.html
> http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Telcos-warn-of-high-NBN-costs-report-pd20110322-F7QS2?OpenDocument&src=hp6
> 
> "This morning telcos Optus and Internode complained the wholesale pricing model proposed by the NBN is too costly and that it will see unlimited download packages become obsolete."
> 
> Hmmm...   What was it again?  Something about those "with eyeball customers"...?  Straw Man...?
> 
> [b]
> 
> 
> From: Matthew Moyle-Croft [mailto:mmc at internode.com.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2011 2:13 PM
> To: Bevan Slattery
> Cc: Damien Morris; ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] "Sewer broadband provider dumped" - Brisbane fibre plan scrapped
> 
>> You've picked some numbers to make the difference so high.  The actual cost based on project customer behaviour does not produce such a cost difference on average across all customers (national averaged pricing and all that).
> 
>> So, it's easy to create a bit of strawman about what the best-case is for this, but this doesn't represent the average cost.
> 
>>> No strawman, just stating economic fact.  Pushing out a NBN press release with a view to keeping the "headline" wholesale price down to $25/user based upon a user contention ratio of 1:250 on a 12Mb/s (average 48Kbps
>>> over a month) service is just amazing.  That's the same bandwidth as getting unlimited dial-up.  Why didn't they have a table showing costs under a variety of plans?
> 
>>> They actually have a calculator to figure it out.   Again, they presented it at the roadshow recently.   Some of us who have eyeball customers have a fair idea of what this'll cost for different classes of customers now and in the future due to forecast drops in port and cvc pricing compared to existing costs both on our own ports and via wholesale ports.
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