[AusNOG] Cisco ASR 1004 vs Juniper MX 80

[Matt Moor]

To be honest, no real idea. LNS isn't in our requirements, so I never 
asked/looked. I would suppose it depends on whether or not the LNS work 
is done in the ASICs or not. They seem to be very efficient and pumping 
through packets, whilst the general purpose CPU doesn't seem to be very 
powerful.

For the record, Juniper indicated that hardware netflow is on the 
roadmap, but not within the (short) time frames we were looking at.

- Matt

On 26/09/10 2:55 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
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> Matt,
>
> So what would you think of the box as an LNS (when the code arrives) 
> and Netflow is not necessary (done elsewhere -- at the border).
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> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Matt Moor
> *Sent:* Sunday, 26 September 2010 1:35 PM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Cisco ASR 1004 vs Juniper MX 80
>
> We just went through exactly the same decision process, and ended up 
> purchasing ASR1004s with ESP10s and the 8x1Gb card. These were more 
> expensive than the MX80s, but the killer was that the MX80 lacked 
> hardware netflow support - limiting real-world throughput (with 
> netflow enabled and a 1:1 sample rate) to ~400Mb/s.
>
> A pity, because as you say, the MX80 looks like a terrific box on 
> paper, and I have a strong preference towards how Juniper manages 
> configuration change (commit, etc). I think we'll be happy with the 
> ASRs, though - they're a nice platform, and the RP2 looks to be very 
> quick.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt
>
> On 23/09/10 12:34 PM, James Braunegg wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> We are looking at replacing two of our pop site's edge routers and 
> after all the discussions this week on the Cisco 6500 platform on 
> why/not to use it I thought this would be a nice follow up post.
>
> Our requirements for this installation are simple: we want control and 
> stability, and we only need 10 x 1 gb Ethernet interfaces max at this 
> time.
>
> We are looking at 4 x Cisco ASR 1004 would be configured with 2 x 5 
> port gig interface card (40GB total system capacity, 20Mpps)
>
> Or
>
> We are looking at 4 x Juniper MX 80 which comes with 48 x 1gb ports 
> and 4 x 10gb ports (I believe)
>
> Juniper markets the MX 80 as twice the performance at half the price 
> (80GB total system capacity, 65Mpps)
>
> The way I see it, it's now really a Cisco vs Juniper argument. Years 
> ago I loved Juniper the SSG platform which was fantastic and never 
> missed a beat, although the new Juniper SRX platform has left me 
> really questioning Juniper on why they would release a platform with 
> countless bugs and issues.
>
> These Juniper issues have implanted fear in my mind and questioning if 
> it's just a product line issue (i.e. the SRX) or a Juniper issue in 
> general. But on paper the Juniper MX 80 looks fantastic!
>
> I would really love to hear some technical information or even better 
> field information on pros and cons for each platform, arguments both 
> for and against each. I'm sure Cisco has their fair share of issues 
> also... so let's discuss!
>
> Kindest Regards
>
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