[AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history

[Vitaly Osipov]

> fact that the govt. wants the histories kept. At the end of the day a
> VPN connection to another country would fix all these anti-trust issues.

... Or anyone using a VPN will have to obtain a permit for it... or be
simply considered suspicious. This is a well known technique - when
you are monitoring massive networks, simply the fact that someone uses
encryption where they "should not" raises a flag, then you do a link
analysis and voila, you arrest terrorists in your own backyard. I
guess.



Regards,
Vitaly




On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:33 PM, James Troy (PageUp/AU/VIC)
<jamest at pageuppeople.com> wrote:
> That link is broken now, but I find it interesting that firstly the
> govt. wants the filtering at the ISP level and not @ the international
> link level, which would make a lot more sense given an takedown notice
> can be issued for a site in Australia, but it certainly leads up to the
> fact that the govt. wants the histories kept. At the end of the day a
> VPN connection to another country would fix all these anti-trust issues.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bevan Slattery
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2010 1:22 PM
> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
>
> Sorry to be rather active on the list lately but from the AFP today:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/afp-pressuring-govt-on-data-retention-339305836.
> htm
>
> "AFP assistant commissioner and national manager of high tech crime
> operations, Neil Gaughan, said that the police is pushing for data
> retention through the Attorney-General's office and Commonwealth
> Government agencies.
>
> "It is important that we have the ability to retain the data," Gaughan
> told reporters in Sydney today. "We can obtain intercepts ... on pretty
> much everything. We don't want to see what people are watching on TV, we
> want to see what people are looking at on the internet."
>
> He said this includes web searches and histories."
>
> [b]
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
>> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bevan Slattery
>> Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010 3:18 PM
>> To: Richard Bayliss; Tom Wright
>> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> Forget the EC Directive.
>>
>> Be very, very concerned by the amount/type of information and the
> length
>> of time of retention that is being discussed here in Australia.  Be
>> very, very concerned.  Participation is by a closed group and the
>> contents are generally confidential.  Confidentiality is required as
> the
>> public would be aghast in horror with what is being suggested.
> Certain
>> agencies are particularly excited about a phrase called "intelligence
>> led policing".  Meaning that it would be helpful for certain agencies
> to
>> use this information to create known associates and personal profiles
>> using any information stored/retained by ISP's/CSP's in case it's
>> necessary for a *future* crime and/or investigation.
>>
>> A further gross erosion of our privacy rights all in the name of
>> protecting us from "terrorism and paedophiles".  Where have I heard
> that
>> before?  Oh yeah.  That's right.  Nearly forgot.
>>
>> If you are a member of the IIA, I would strongly encourage you to
>> contact them for further information.
>>
>> Just so we are clear:
>>
>> - Propose to implement Government filtering system which checks every
>> URL entered by every Australian
>> - Propose to implement Government Data Retention system for all ISP's
> to
>> maintain substantial information about user internet and communication
>
>> history (including browsing history and emails for MANY years)
>> - Propose to implement single NBN
>> - Remove Government funding for AusCERT and establish Government run
>> CERT
>>
>> Can't wait for the "Ministry of Truth"
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Truth) to be formed.  Or
>> perhaps it will be called the "Minstry of anti-bunkum and balderdash"
>> (http://tinyurl.com/38xj64s).
>>
>> [b]
>>
>> PS:  Media do not call or email and do not quote in accordance with
> the
>> list Charter.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>> > [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Bayliss
>> > Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010 2:23 PM
>> > To: Tom Wright
>> > Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
>> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
>> >
>> > I'm no lawyer, but I did have a look at the EC directive which was
>> > mentioned in the zdnet article.
>> >
>> > There seemed to be several protections for service providers built
>> > into the document:
>> >
>> > "(23) Given that the obligations on providers of electronic
>> > communications services should be proportionate, this Directive
>> > requires that they retain only such data as are generated or
>> > processed in the process of supplying their communications services.
>
>> > To the extent that such data are not generated or processed by those
>
>> > providers, there is no obligation to retain them. This Directive is
>> > not intended to harmonise the technology for retaining data, the
>> > choice of which is a matter to be resolved at national level.
>> >
>> > [..]
>> >
>> > "Art 1, 2. This Directive shall apply to traffic and location data
>> > on both legal entities and natural persons and to the related data
>> > necessary to identify the subscriber or registered user. It shall
>> > not apply to the content of electronic communications, including
>> > information consulted using an electronic communications network.
>> >
>> > [..]
>> >
>> > "Art 5, 2. No data revealing the content of the communication may be
>
>> > retained pursuant to this Directive."
>> >
>> > (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:20
>> 06:105:0054:0063:EN:PDF)
>> >
>> > I would assume that the Australian industry would highlight the need
>
>> > for something similar in anything proposed by the
> government.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Rich
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/06/2010, at 2:09 PM, Tom Wright wrote:
>> >
>> > I acknowledge the IIA's suggestion to "engage not only with the
>> > industry..." - but I find that notion particularly hard to take
>> > seriously.
>> >
>> > Looking back over the government's track record of 'engaging'
>> > with our industry would suggest that they'll be quick to censor any
>> > dissenters and alienate everyone in the process.
>> >
>> > ... and then just to show their support, they'll notionally withdraw
>
>> > support for one of the successful gems of the IT industry in favour
>> > of an expensive, bureaucratic monolith.
>> >
>> > Have the ALP lost their minds?
>> >
>> >
>> > -- Tom
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/06/2010, at 12:56 PM, Brad Gould wrote:
>> >
>> > > Of course if they were serious about stopping all the "bad stuff"
>> > > they'll introduce the same legislation to apply to snail mail and
>> > > telephone calls.
>> > >
>> > > /end snark
>> > >
>> > > Its clearly unacceptable.  And technically infeasible.
>> > What sort of
>> > > labour think tank and focus groups are ok with these ideas?
>> >  The mind
>> > > boggles.
>> > >
>> > > Brad
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 11/06/2010 12:27, Peter Childs wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> If they really want this stuff why don't they just ask
>> > google...  sheesh...
>> > >>
>> > >> On 11/06/2010, at 12:24 PM, Arkady Gundroff wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Makes me wonder who will wear the cost of retaining said
>> > data, let alone making the API and paying for the interconnects to
>> > the BigBr^H^H^H^H^H government.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>> > >>> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Sean K.
> Finn
>> > >>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:50 PM
>> > >>> To: 'Rob Byrnes'; 'ausnog at ausnog.net'
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Next they'll want an API so they can interact with the
>> > records and change them as necessary...
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I wonder if that's the next step.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>> > >>> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Rob Byrnes
>> > >>> Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010 12:45 PM
>> > >>> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
>> > >>> Subject: [AusNOG] Govt wants ISPs to record user history
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-user-data-33930378
>> > >>> 5.htm
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Not only will there be a firewall to contend with, but possibly
> a
>> > >>> data retention policy ... where's that book I was reading ... by
>
>> > >>> some bloke called Orwell.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Any members of this list been contacted for "discussion"?
>> > >>>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Brad Gould, Network Engineer
>> > > Internode
>> > > PO Box 284, Rundle Mall 5000
>> > > Level 5, 162 Grenfell Street, Adelaide 5000
>> > > P: 08 8228 2999  F: 08 8235 6999
>> > > bradley at internode.com.au; http://www.internode.on.net/
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>> > --
>> > Kind Regards,
>> >
>> > Tom Wright
>> > Internode Network Operations
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