[AusNOG] AAB Statement

[roland at chan.id.au]

You have to be kidding. Anyone who's seen the actual document will be NDA'd up the wazzoo.

What is the source of your rumour? Any evidence? Are you kidding about a right of first refusal? That would stupid, if the asset was worth anything. 

The level of betrayal of the principle that led to the NBN and Labor's position on Telstra would seem to preclude what you're describing. Also I'm not sure I agree with you about the negativity of Government ownership, but that's not core to your point.


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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bevan Slattery" <Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:40:37 
To: Andrew Oskam<percy at th3interw3bs.net>; <roland at chan.id.au>
Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: RE: [AusNOG] AAB Statement

I don't know what's worse:

- Giving Telstra $11B when the implementation study said we should build without them
- or the industry rumour the Government's "historic" deal with Telstra also gives Telstra last right of refusal to buy NBN Co. should the Government ever decide to sell.

I sure hope that's not true.  Can anyone from NBN Co., Telstra or the Government confirm that there is not a clause in the agreement that gives Telstra any form of first/last right over NBN Co. or its customers?

It now appears possible that in the year 2020 Australia will be in the unique position in any (that I know of) developed country in the western world where we will have only one fixed line infrastructure owner nationally.  What's even worse it's entirely likely that it can only be owned by the Government or Telstra.  Talk about back to the future.

[b] 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-
> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Oskam
> Sent: Sunday, 5 September 2010 9:39 AM
> To: roland at chan.id.au
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAB Statement
> 
> I can agree with that
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> -------------
> Andrew Oskam
> 
> On 03/09/2010, at 11:36 PM, roland at chan.id.au wrote:
> 
> > Might be a dupe, having some client problems
> >
> >> Telstra being paid to migrate customers from the copper network to the
> fibre is a strange one,
> >
> >> That deal is still closed, which kind of blows me away. Shouldn't it be
> offered to everyone openly on equal terms ?
> >
> > Two words: critical mass. Once half the market goes, one assumes that the
> rest of the market follows or they'll be at a disadvantage. There's an
> assumption here that NBNness is an advantage.
> >
> > This isn't about "fair", as if anything ever was. This is about getting the
> project over the line. Why buy all the customers when buying half of them
> will deliver the same result for half the money?
> >
> > /my personal, uninformed opinion.
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Spenceley <james at vocus.com.au>
> > Sender: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:32:27
> > To: Paul Brooks<pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>
> > Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>; Bevan
> Slattery<Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] AAB Statement
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I suspect this is one of those aspects that needs to be fine-tuned in
> further debate/design :-)
> >
> > Its great what comes to light when you start debating a topic and not just
> having it dictated to you by someone who has never costed or designed a
> network  :-)
> >
> >>
> >> Most commentary has seen this as being similar to the Coalition proposal,
> due to the use of wireless - which is odd, because much of the coalition
> policy was about spending money removing pairgains an dpresumably
> augmenting filled RIMs - and there isn't enough proposed to do that.
> >>
> >> In reality, this is a wholesale only open access network, just like the
> original NBN plan - its just a lower performance NBN, for a lower price.
> >> Same long term structural fix to the marketplace encouraging non-
> discriminatory behaviour, which the coalition plan to fund vertically
> integrated operators doesn't address.
> >>
> >>> What I have come to understand in the last few days, is that I am
> incredibly scared of a government controlled monopoly on every service
> (phone, internet, paytv etc) to every house in the country. Couple that with
> NO visible business plan, NO end user pricing, NO treasure costing , NO
> industry consultation on the plan itself but with a plan to rip out any form of
> competitive network, I'm starting to think we missed something here and
> just focused on how 'cool' it'll be to have Gbps to every house.
> >> To be fair, I'm not convinced the bit about ripping out all forms of
> competing infrastructure is real. Certainly its been floated in the
> implementation study, but thats just a bunch of accountants floating ideas to
> bolster the business case, with no requirement to be lawful - and a lot of
> those recommendations, includign the one about extra taxes for cherry-
> pickers, seem to violate all sorts of ACCC anticompetitive laws. Just because
> the implementation study says someting, doesn't mean the government will,
> or even legally can adopt the recommendation even if it wanted to.
> >
> >
> > I guess part of me expects that these are the types of details that are
> actually important and should be included in the business case.
> >
> >> Telstra being paid to migrate customers from the copper network to the
> fibre is a strange one,
> >
> > That deal is still closed, which kind of blows me away. Shouldn't it be
> offered to everyone openly on equal terms ?
> >
> > The other aspect, if I was a retail ISP (and I am certainly am not) I'd also be
> very scared that Telstra is going to have an $11b war chest to attack the
> market with. That is going to be a very scary gorilla looking to increase market
> share.
> >
> >
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