[AusNOG] NBN Legislation

Tue Nov 30 18:39:07 EST 2010

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Stephen Carter
Director
Working Technology
Level 20 - 31 Market Street - Sydney - 2000
Tel: 02 9475 7777 - Fax: 02 9475 7788

----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Carter
To: 'technical at halenet.com.au' <technical at halenet.com.au>; 'Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com' <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com>; 'bill at wjw.co.nz' <bill at wjw.co.nz>; 'ausnog at lists.ausnog.net' <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Sent: Tue Nov 30 18:38:09 2010
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Legislation

here

Stephen Carter
Director
Working Technology
Level 20 - 31 Market Street - Sydney - 2000
Tel: 02 9475 7777 - Fax: 02 9475 7788

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim McCullagh <technical at halenet.com.au>
To: Stephen Carter; 'Bevan Slattery' <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com>; Bill Walker <bill at wjw.co.nz>; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Sent: Tue Nov 30 18:06:58 2010
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Legislation

I would like to back Stephen up 1000%
He is absolutely correct

As I have stated many times I can see the need / opportunity to delivery 
services to those Australians that don;t have decent access and one of the 
efficient ways to achieve that is through the use of fibre, but to do what 
the bunch of clowns in Canberra are doing is almost beyond belief.  To 
bypass and destroy the amount of private telco network as is proposed is a 
massive misuse of scarce resources.  There are many more deserving projects 
in water, health roads rail and the list goes on, but what is the bunch of 
bloody drongo's in canberra doing.

Go right ahead and give me a serve, but before you do consider this senareo

NBN in its current form will allow service providers to bundle services. 
What have we achieved and how much less competition will there be when we 
spend between $50 and $100 billion building an open access network to allow 
a level playing field and we find that instead of copper we find Telstra 
has a content monopoly and mobile and pay TV duopoly.  Telstra will still be 
able to bundle their paytv and mobiles plus a lot of the content they have 
tied up over the last 5 to 10 years.  What will we have achieved. 
Absolutely nothing,  the same whingers that demanded this NBN will be asking 
the government to break the content monopoly.

As I have said before "be very carefull what you wish for"  you may just get 
it and you may find it is not what you thought it was.

regards

Tim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Carter" <Stephen.Carter at workingtech.com>
To: "'Bevan Slattery'" <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com>; "Bill Walker" 
<bill at wjw.co.nz>; <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Legislation

> Hi All,
>
> I am just adding a voice to this (I like most others in the industry have 
> been consistently opposed to the NBN from day 1, as nobody has ever 
> presented a business or real reason to change my view).
>
> The NBN as it is proposed is an absolute waste of money and a significant 
> step backwards for business, competition, innovation, and especially 
> employment in Australia not just Telco's but the entire productive 
> population.
>
> If this stuff gets voted in then politicians are voting for something they 
> don't understand and the current government is playing other politicians 
> (and the public) as fools.
>
> Imagine being able to spend >$40billion just to save face!!!
>
> Sorry for the opinion on a technical forum, but I can add that I have 
> actually read the proposed legislation, NBN releases, wiki, I am a 
> significant owner of and run and operate a Telco myself and related 
> businesses and all I can say is overall what a load of dribble.
>
> Happy to be slammed... by the list.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bevan Slattery
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2010 1:30 PM
> To: Bill Walker; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Legislation
>
> I think it's really important to note the report isn't against any form of 
> fibre NBN.  It really highlights the need for a cost benefit analysis.
>
> Cheers
>
> [b]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bill Walker
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:52 AM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN Legislation
>
> The full study is available here:
>
> http://sites.google.com/a/commcham.com/www/publications/Overselling_Fibre_1127.pdf?attredirects=0
>
>
> On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:45:26 +1300, Bill Walker <bill at wjw.co.nz> wrote:
>> Anyone read this, it questions the worth of NBN, thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/4403408/Benefits-of-b
>> roadband-questioned
>>
>>  Benefits of broadband questioned
>>
>>  The Australian federal government has been accused of misusing
>> research  to build the case for the national broadband network in an
>> international  study that finds the claimed benefits have been
>> ''grossly overstated''.
>>
>>  Released in London before the vote today on legislation paving the
>> way  for the NBN, the study found that the evidence to support claims
>> made  for fibre-to-the-home networks was ''surprisingly weak'' and
>> cited  Australia as a key example.
>>
>>  ''All else equal, faster is better,'' noted the study, prepared by
>> the  British telecommunications consultant Robert Kenny and Charles
>> Kenny  from the US Centre for Global Development. ''But faster
>> technologies  don't always triumph; think of passenger hovercraft,
>> maglev trains, and  supersonic airliners.
>>
>>  ''Concorde (if it hadn't retired) would still be the fastest
>> passenger  aircraft today, having first flown in 1969. It turned out
>> that the  incremental benefits of speed to most customers were not
>> worth the extra  cost.''
>>
>>  South Korea, cited as the world leader in providing fibre to homes,
>> enjoyed productivity growth of 7.6 per cent per capita per year in the
>> decade before it began the program and 3.8 per cent in the decade
>> since.
>>
>>  ''Many factors played into the growth slowdown,'' the study says.
>> ''But
>>  maybe the massive increase in online gaming, facilitated by the
>> broadband revolution, played a role.''
>>
>>  In launching Australia's broadband network in 2009, Prime Minister
>> Kevin Rudd said 78 per cent of the productivity gains in service
>> businesses and 85 per cent in manufacturing flowed from information
>> and  communications technology.
>>
>>  The study traced this claim back to two papers from Australia's
>> Communications Department referring to gains of 59 to 78 per cent and
>> 65  to 85 per cent.
>>
>>  ''What was an upper bound in the research has become a mid-point in
>> Rudd's speech,'' it says.
>>
>>  ''But more importantly, the research was looking at all technological
>> factors. Thus the figures cited include the benefits of everything
>> from  biotechnology to the rise of containerised transport.''
>>
>>  Also, the research cited by Mr Rudd covered the periods 1985 to 2001
>> and 1984 to 2002, ''when the internet was in its infancy and broadband
>> was pre-natal''.
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