[AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the impending mandatatory censorship scheme?

[Andrew Oskam]

I'm in the same boat as you Skeeve - my thoughts exactly
I just can't justify the loss of the NBN.

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Andrew Oskam

On 08/07/2010, at 12:54 AM, Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net>  
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> Honestly, I am a Labor voter... well... was... not sure now.
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> If Abbot hadn’t said he was going to scrap the NBN, I would be votin 
> g for the Liberals... bring back Turnbull... I liked him L
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> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog- 
> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
> Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:48 AM
> To: Phillip Grasso
> Cc: Skeeve Stevens; ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the  
> impending mandatatory censorship scheme?
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> Senate seats might hurt them, but ask yourself this:
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> What do you know about the Opposition's views on the filter?   If  
> Labor lose will it mean scraping the idea or claiming it as their  
> own to claim the same voting block?
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> If the Opposition support it and so do Labor then the minorities are  
> irrelevant in the Senate.
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> MMC
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> On 07/07/2010, at 11:55 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:
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> you raise good points, let me say this;
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> Senate Seats. Hit them where it hurts.
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> my back of envelope count is that we'll need 338K votes to get 1  
> senate seat.
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> 1 Senate seat will probably be enough to do damage to a filtering  
> program, especially when they would want to do deals to get other  
> things across (assuming they don't have an overwhelming majority)
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> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at internode.com.au 
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> On 07/07/2010, at 11:22 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:
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> > its been pretty clear what Google position all along. Why else do  
> you think Conroy has it in for Google.
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> > The problem is that not enough 'outcry' from the industry is  
> there, so Conroy is free to say he's got the support of the  
> industry, with a possibly few big players in his back pocket due to  
> NBN, he can say things such as 'industry consultation/support' etc.
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> I think we could be super organised, with a huge media budget and  
> the Fed Govt wouldn't change their mind before the election.
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> If they did change their mind then the opposition would just use it  
> to show (a) they're backing down and not delivering on YET another  
> policy (b) not tough on Child Pornography (c) not protecting our  
> kids.  Which ever of the arguments works the best for TonyA at the  
> time.
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> This isn't a rational argument.  It's clear the Conroy isn't  
> interested in rational arguments.   The whole proposal is laughable  
> (heck, I've just come back from the US where we ARE a joke because  
> of this - most people think it's already running!), but still, the  
> telecommunications industry is a poor block of votes compared to  
> keeping the conservative Christian lobby on side (the people who  
> want this).
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> The focus really needs to be on these things:
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> If Labor is reelected will they claim they have a mandate to  
> implement the filter (even if no one voted Labor because of it).    
> Or will it die as a "non-core promise" if Conroy is moved on as  
> telecommunications minister?
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> If the Liberals are elected instead, what will they do?   Will they  
> show sanity and kill it (small-l liberal) or be beholden to the same  
> conservative Christian lobby who have convinced Labor it's a good  
> idea.
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> Labor, as above, can't be and won't be able to chance their minds  
> before the election.  The question is - will this be an election  
> issue or will we be back to beating up on the vunerable and non- 
> voting refugees again like the tough people we are.   (Must remind  
> Christians like TonyA about what Christianity is about - seem to  
> remember a few bits from the Bible from Sunday school and Jesus  
> embracing everyone and looking after the poor and destitute, not  
> just some of them - anyway, offtopic).
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> MMC
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