[AusNOG] Australian Censorship program to go ahead - Gillard supports a the great firewall

[Roland Chan]

What does online have to do with it? From what I can see our
non-existent rights have been eroded in the real world. When is
everyone going to realise the Internet is not a special case? What I
find interesting is that if one were to assume the Internet is not a
special case, then the filter becomes pretty harmless. :)

I don't think "organisations" will avoid hosting here if there is
money to be made. Google didn't pull out of China did it? It made
changes in order to appease and defend it's market. If the hammer
comes down from Beijing, it will be telling to see how they jump.


On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Bevan Slattery
<Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com> wrote:
> Hi Phil,
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> I have to agree with your view.  As an industry we are all really upset by
> this, but yet we do nothing substantial about it.  The Internet industry has
> access to every single eye-ball that access the internet here, yet we do not
> seem to harness the power that provides.
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> Additionally, as an industry we must become more understanding of the
> international reputational damage has been caused by recent policy decisions
> by the Australian Government.  Filtering and Mandatory data retention being
> the two (2) most damaging.
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> With the Web becoming ‘the Cloud’ these impacts are going to become more
> apparent.  After years of fighting to get major content/caching delivery
> networks to establish clusters here in Australia my recent discussions at
> ITW with some of the larger content providers was starting to reflect a
> change in mood.  Over the past 5 years bandwidth costs to establish clusters
> in Australia was the problem.  That (to a large degree) has been resolved.
> But the issue that is raising it’s head is that content providers no longer
> see Australia as a rational and safe place to store user data.  They see the
> decisions of the Australian Government as a Sovereign Risk compared with
> other Governments within our region.
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> It is entirely likely that unless Australia develops a users “Bill of
> Rights” around privacy and a less totalitarian regime to access user data
> (like the good old days when you used to need a court order from a
> Magistrate), then I fear that substantial content networks will continue to
> shun Australia as a major hub for application and content delivery (other
> than mere dumb/algorithm caching).
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> I actually agree with the principle of keeping some user data
> (authentication etc.), however numerous law enforcement agencies have
> continually eroded the right to natural justice by the introduction of
> closed evidence, uncontestable evidence, obtaining information without
> warrant signed of by independent third party capable of understanding
> justice (being magistrate) and more concerning retaining this data will also
> mean this information is now open to discovery in non-criminal matters and
> data matching/profiling and abuse for personal/commercial/political gain.
> ***See David Campbell in NSW***.  The continual scope creep into more powers
> for law enforcement agencies directly correlates with the erosion of natural
> justice and the rights of individuals.
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> I honestly think the focus should be on a citizens online rights,
> particularly surrounding privacy.  That is the great challenge of this
> decade and actually the digital era.  Because those organisations that wish
> to respect these rights will not host those content and applications in this
> country.
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> What are we going to do?
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> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Phillip Grasso
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 July 2010 8:11 PM
> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: [AusNOG] Australian Censorship program to go ahead -
> Gillardsupports a the great firewall
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> labor Prime minister Gillard supports Internet censorship,
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> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/filtering-legislation-on-the-way/story-e6frgakx-1225889109550
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> By all likelihood due to inaction by us and the technology community, we
> will be paving the way to a censorship regime in Australia by this year.
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> I am interested to know who in the ISP community is supporting this plan?
> Obviously someone is talking to Conroys office, I don't think he'll still
> try to go ahead without the support of the big boys? (or is there back room
> deals going on with NBN?)
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