[AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter

Thu Jul 1 09:36:12 EST 2010

What is the Internet Industry Association doing amongst all of this? They
have been "representing the interests" of the industry back to when Alston
first proposed filtering back in 2000.

The mining companies have infinitely more political clout - they are
unified, have deep pockets ($130M in advertising!) and stood for Aussie
jobs. Our telco industry has been offshoring for years, is intensely
compettive/fragmented and is lead by geeks who understandably want to avoid
making political statements for fear of retribrution.

We need an Aussie Icon/geek to assist with this one. Bring on Dick Smith or
Dr Karl!

Who is gunna pay for the advertising though?

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Curtis Bayne <curtis at bayne.com.au> wrote:

>  As I was going to say in my post that failed last night, the solution to
> this is easy: get political.
>
> Screw net neutrality - our policy of passive benevolence will not work
> here.
>
> Do what we (SONET) do: actively refuse to carry pro-filter content on your
> network. If every one of us actively deny proponents to spread their FUD,
> they'll get irksome and start telling everybody that we're pedophiles.
> Outrage = airtime and I'll be happy to tell the Today Tonight reporter
> what's REALLY going on.
>
> Sure, there will be some collateral if we start black-holing shared web
> servers that have pro-filter material, but who cares? This will give people
> a taste of exactly what it will be like under a government-administered
> filter regime. In your customers minds, filter = bad and frustrating.
> Doesn't matter whose filter it is, we've got the jump to make this
> association and that is the key in winning the war.
>
> ...at least this way we can use squid instead of m86 too*.
>
> Mining companies fight for their rights, time for us to do the same.
>
> Regards,
> Curtis
>
>
> *I didn't sign an NDA, but if you did, here's your license to talk: The
> filter trials were performed using appliances from
> http://www.m86security.com/, formerly Marshall security before their
> merger. "They told me" they have won a tender for a "filtering platform for
> an entire country of about 20 million people". I am sick of the silence on
> this topic.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Andrew Oskam
> Sent: Thu 7/1/2010 8:59 AM
> To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter
>
> I Agree - We, as an Industry, should be expanding and setting up a
> community and working together much closer than we currently are.
>
> At present, I think we are just cruising along and accepting the beating
> that government is throwing at us.
>
> I don't claim to have any specific ideas, But I think that we should be
> doing more to voice our concerns about the varying changes that affect
> this industry and the country.
>
>
> Andrew Oskam
>
> E  percy at th3interw3bs.net
>
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> On 30/06/10 6:32 PM, Darren Moss wrote:
> > Hi Noggers,
> >
> > How about we build an industry web portal which represents our collective
> view specifically relating to the Filter.
> >
> > Then, we collect signatures on a petition and have them presented to Mr
> Conroy.
> >
> > We should also seek SME advice which can be added to the petition, so the
> Minister can see just how ineffective this filter is going to be (at our
> cost of course).
> >
> > I am sure we could ask our journalist friends on this list to assist with
> spreading the word and letting the Government know that this is not going to
> get past without consultation.
> >
> > My 2c.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Darren Moss
> > General Manager
> > Australia and New Zealand
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [
> mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]
> On Behalf Of Sean K. Finn
> > Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:24 PM
> > To: 'Andrew Fort'; 'Phillip Grasso'
> > Cc: 'ausnog at ausnog.net'
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter
> >
> > We don't really have a union to represent us.
> >
> > If we do I've never heard of them, which means they aren't doing a good
> enough job getting the message out there.
> >
> > S.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [
> mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>]
> On Behalf Of Andrew Fort
> > Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 6:21 PM
> > To: Phillip Grasso
> > Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] conroy reaffirms commitment to filter
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Phillip Grasso<phillip.grasso at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Unfortunately the change in leadership looks to not have changed the
> >> filtering picture much.
> >>
> >> http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/351461/conroy_reaffirms_commit
> >> ment_filter/
> >>
> >> My question what are we 'as an industry' going to do about it?
> >>
> > The miners made the claim their jobs were at stake; rather, the mine
> _owners_.  Are any large ISPs threatening they'll have to go under -
> destroying jobs - if this legislation is passed?  If no-one wants to even
> bluff, I guess we're SOL.
> >
> > -a
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