[AusNOG] Less than 10% of IPv4 Addresses Remain Unallocated

[Curtis Bayne]

This is exactly right.

There is centrally manageable Ethernet CPE available today which supports dual stack - we have similar units at a number of customer sites and are moving to replace most of our CPE with them. Rolling out v6 for us is as simple as pushing a config change when we feel like it.

http://www.routerboard.com/pricelist.php?showProduct=56

They cost $40US and will even do BGP/OSPF as well as advanced traffic shaping and firewalling. Hell, they even do MPLS/Netflow. Overkill? For a consumer, certainly, but their ability to be centrally managed combined with their cost and ease of deployment makes them an obvious choice in the current market.

If anyone has an equivalently specced, currently commercially manufactured ethernet router that has a comparable feature set to the RB750 I will eat my hat. I am not kidding - I will eat my hat and post the video on youtube*.

The technology required to implement v6 on the NBN is available TODAY. You can start developing strategies around currently available hardware TODAY. You can draft a migration strategy TODAY. You can bring v6 into your core TODAY. There may be no consumer demand yet, but one day there will be: don't be caught with your pants down.

Regards,
Curtis

*I reserve the right to consume the hat in smoothie form.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Moyle-Croft [mailto:mmc at internode.com.au]
Sent: Fri 1/22/2010 9:18 AM
To: Curtis Bayne
Cc: Noel Butler; ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Less than 10% of IPv4 Addresses Remain Unallocated
 
Simple routers (ethernet to ethernet/wifi) are more available to do dual stack than ADSL ones.   Let's face it.   An ethernet to ethernet router is easier to build and doesn't require the kind of certification a DSL one does.

eg.  latest Apple Airport (I mean the VERY latest) have PPP dual stack built in.   We've got someone who's produced dualstack code for the WRT54G equivalents.

It's also likely that some or all of the NBN access will be IP rather than PPP (ISP dependent) so  that'll be easier.

MMC

On 22/01/2010, at 9:21 AM, Curtis Bayne wrote:


If only there were some new, national network being built that negates the need for current CPE so we could co-incide the release of ethernet-based CPE that supports IPv6 from the get-go.

Oh, wait...


-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Noel Butler
Sent: Fri 1/22/2010 8:16 AM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Less than 10% of IPv4 Addresses Remain Unallocated

On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 12:28 +1100, James Spenceley wrote:

> >>
> >>
> >
> > Yep, and I still stand by at _LEAST_ 2015 before we seriously get close to looking like running out of ipv4, maybe longer than that.
> > There's around 400 million IP's stilll up for grabs.
>
> and how many phones/computer will connect to the Indian and Chinese Internet in the next year ?
>


How many connected last year...
4 x /8's issued to APNIC
4 x /8's issued to RIPE


I'm well aware that the majority of vocal people on this list are
supporters of  ipv6, I just have an investigative mind, in other words,
I do think some here are hyping things up for their own agenda, just
like those did back in 90's.

I mean, talking about ripping off end users more money because they use
ipv4 like Skeeve brought up, pleaaseeeee, , you try to force everyone
onto ipv6, then there's going to plenty of spare ipv4 in APNIC's pool
isn't there, so no problem for the ISP's that wont rip them off  :)

So apart from the noise makers on this list beating their chest about
it, is anyone actually in serious talks with CPE vendors,  how about
retailers? find some cluey retailers and get them to push vendors as
well, after all, that's where this needs to start.

As someone else mentioned, the vast majority of end users don't care,
they will not sit down and google it, they will not read white papers or
RFC's about it, they have no desire to learn squat about it, all they
want is for the Internet to work, existing customers and in  next few
years or so should easily be serviced by ipv4, it's the newbie from
nearing then, the ones who go out and buy brand new CPE because its
their first, or their existing one got blow to hell in a storm that
needs to be targeted towards ipv6 capable CPE.


Cheers



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