[AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering

[Brad Gould]

Who stumbles on Child Porn, bomb making or euthanasia instructions or 
anything potentially "RC" anyway?

The only people that find it are the ones looking for it, who are the 
same people that will google "filter circumvention" if they cant find 
what they are looking for..

Those people certainly arent going to report it when they find it.  So 
it wont make it on the blacklist in any event.

What "concerned parents" will still find is that they will visit some 
dodgey website following a url in some email spam, and get a zillion 
pop-ups advertising porn. Oh noes! Or type in ten.com instead of ten.com.au

Those popups/websites will be the continued subject of complaints, then 
"something must be done" and the next round of filtering policy can 
begin.  Made easier of course with the infrastructure thats installed as 
mandated by the current round of (proposed) filtering.

This isnt policy.  Calling it evidence based or led policy doesnt 
magically make it so.  Its pandering, of the worst sort, to the 
religious right.

Brad



Skeeve Stevens wrote:
> I don’t really get the entire filtering argument or why it is mandated 
> at all.
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> If I was the government, I would basically offer $$$ (or a tax break, or 
> something) to ISPs who chose to join a filtering programme or offered 
> products based on some sort of filtering standard.
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> The whole mandatory filtering of all ISP’s is kind of bizarre and 
> extreme really and completely pointless.
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> If users are really screaming for this, surely they would just go and 
> connect to an ISP who is offering the filtering solution.
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> If there were really a massive demand for this, wouldn’t someone have 
> developed their own product by now and selling tons of it?
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> Or.. is this just the government not trusting people to be adults and 
> responsible – and assuming that there are paedophiles everywhere.
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> ...Skeeve
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> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Shane Short
> *Sent:* Monday, 4 January 2010 3:50 PM
> *To:* Matthew Moyle-Croft
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net; Pinkerton, Eric
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering
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> I wouldn't mind so much if they either a) mandated ISPs had to 'offer' 
> some kind of filtering, or b) offered some kind of hosted solution.
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> OR find some CPE manufacturer that'll ship them 'clean modems', with the 
> filtering built in. (does this exist yet)
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> -Shane
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> On 04/01/2010, at 12:35 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
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> On 04/01/2010, at 2:34 PM, Pinkerton, Eric wrote:
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>     Preventing incoming DNS requests from outside your network could
>     make sence, but stopping your internal users querying any external
>     dns servers seems obtuse, perhaps I am missing something?  
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> ...
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>     I was under the impression that the solution proposed combined a DNS
>     and proxy.  The DNS blocks or diverts banned domain requests to say
>     an ad for counciling or whatever without impediment to other
>     traffic, but requests for a page on a domain(or server) that also
>     carries banned pages are diverted through a proxy server with a
>     blacklist.  
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> Take for example Google or OpenDNS's resolver service.   If customers 
> can query those then how are they going to be directed to a proxy?
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> Ditto for a VPN, things like Tor etc.    Wet tissue paper has a higher 
> security rating - especially if people are going to be avoiding it by 
> accident!  Hilarious.
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> This isn't about protecting kids or stopping people looking at illegal 
> content.  This is about the government saving face and giving a sop to 
> the religious right.   
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> If the government wanted to do something useful they'd fund more child 
> protection officers and police to hunt pedophiles etc.
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> MMC
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> -- 
> Matthew Moyle-Croft
> 
> Peering Manager and Team Lead - Commercial and DSLAMs
> 
> Internode /Agile
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