[AusNOG] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group

[Mark Smith]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:59:14 +1100
Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net> wrote:

> As usual Mark, your contributions are unbiased and well thought out.
> 


Not sure how to take that, is it a compliment or a criticism?

Anyway, I am most certainly a biased nethead. The Internet and it's
design principles put dinner on my plate, and bellhead thinking is a
threat to them. Fortunately I think mostly they're trying to force the
toothpaste back into the tube.

If you don't know what bellhead thinking is, I'd suggest having read of
these -

"Rise of the Stupid Network"
http://www.hyperorg.com/misc/stupidnet.html

"Netheads Versus Bellheads"
http://tmdenton.com/pub/bellheads.pdf



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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Smith
> > [mailto:nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org]
> > Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2010 1:24 PM
> > To: Skeeve Stevens
> > Cc: apnic-talk at apnic.net; ausnog at ausnog.net; nznog; pacnog at pacnog.org
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group
> > 
> > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:08:19 +1100
> > Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > This is an FYI for those interested.  Btw, RIPE NCC is the European
> > version of APNIC for those that don't know.
> > >
> > > The ITU are looking at bypassing the RIR's (Ripe, APNIC, ARIN,
> > AFRINIC, LACNIC) and becoming their own numbering authority.  Clearly
> > this is not the desired option as the structure already exists for
> > exactly what they want to do, but rather than regionally, they want to
> > do it per country.... for who knows what reason.
> > >
> > 
> > Because they're bellheads.
> > 
> > > --
> > > Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director
> > > eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists
> > > skeeve at eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
> > > Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954
> > > Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve
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> > > NOC, NOC, who's there?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: admin-bounces at tuenti.com [mailto:admin-bounces at tuenti.com] On
> > Behalf Of Axel Pawlik
> > > Sent: Friday, 26 February 2010 3:20 AM
> > > To: ncc-announce at ripe.net
> > > Subject: [Admin] [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position
> > On The ITU IPv6 Group
> > >
> > > Dear Colleagues,
> > >
> > > As you may be aware, the International Telecommunication Union's
> > (ITU)
> > > Telecommunication Standardization Bureau (TSB) has convened an ITU
> > > IPv6 Group, the first meeting of which will be held on 15-16 March
> > > 2010 in Geneva, Switzerland. Information on this group is available
> > at:
> > > http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/othergroups/ipv6/
> > >
> > > Among the group's Terms of Reference are the following:
> > >
> > >    * To draft a global policy proposal for the reservation of a large
> > > IPv6 block, taking into consideration the future needs of developing
> > > countries (as outlined in paragraph 23 of ITU document C09/29).
> > >
> > >    * To further study possible methodologies and related
> > > implementation mechanisms to ensure 'equitable access' to IPv6
> > > resource by countries.
> > >
> > >    * To further study the possibility for ITU to become another
> > > Internet Registry, and propose policies and procedures for ITU to
> > > manage a reserved IPv6 block.
> > >
> > >    * To further study the feasibility and advisability of
> > implementing
> > > the CIR [Country Internet Registry] model for those countries who
> > > would request national allocations.
> > >
> > > The ITU IPv6 Group is open to ITU Member States and Sector Members of
> > > ITU-T and ITU-D. RIRs that are not members have also been extended an
> > > invitation to participate.
> > >
> > > IPv6 address policy is clearly of critical importance to the RIPE NCC
> > > membership, and the unsympathetic implementation of any of the Terms
> > > of Reference stated above would have serious impact on the global IP
> > > address distribution environment.
> > >
> > > Members of RIPE NCC staff will be participating in this meeting of
> > the
> > > ITU IPv6 Group to represent the interests of our members and
> > community.
> > >
> > > The position of the RIPE NCC is based on support for smooth and
> > > reliable working of the Internet globally, and for the bottom-up,
> > open
> > > policy development process that allows for all stakeholders,
> > including
> > > business, government and the technical community, to participate.
> > >
> > > Some of the issues addressed in the Terms of Reference listed above
> > > are a cause for concern because they could directly affect the RIPE
> > > NCC operations as a Regional Internet Registry (RIR). Therefore, the
> > > RIPE NCC position on the Terms of Reference is as follows:
> > >
> > > * The needs of developing economies in IP address policy are
> > > important. Network operators in these economies have fair and equal
> > > access to IPv6 resources from the Regional Internet Registries
> > (RIRs),
> > > and to the Policy Development Processes in their RIR and globally.
> > > Each of the RIRs has been allocated an equal block of IPv6 to
> > > distribute to networks in their region. (eg. AfriNIC has been
> > > allocated the same sized block of IPv6 as the RIPE NCC).
> > >
> > > * IPv6 allocations made by RIRs to date amount to the equivalent of
> > > 500 times the size of the entire IPv4 address pool, allocated to
> > > networks in over 150 economies.
> > >
> > > * If a significant sector in the Internet community feels that the
> > > "reservation of a large IPv6 block" for "the future needs of
> > > developing countries" is warranted, the open, bottom-up Policy
> > > Development Processes (PDPs) of the RIRs provide an appropriate forum
> > > in which to argue that case and develop such a policy.
> > >
> > > * The RIRs, as the recognised stewards of Internet Number Resources,
> > > are working, individually, jointly, and with invited experts, to
> > > engage the ITU membership. We have closely followed discussions in
> > the
> > > ITU to date. The RIPE NCC does not believe that there are any
> > problems
> > > that would be solved by the shift to a country-based allocation
> > system
> > > or the installation of the ITU as an Internet Registry.
> > >
> > > The purpose of this email is to ensure that all RIPE NCC members are
> > > informed of the RIPE NCC's participation in this ITU IPv6 Group, and
> > > our position. If you have any comments or questions regarding this
> > > information, please send an email to <ncc at ripe.net>.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Axel Pawlik
> > > Managing Director
> > > RIPE NCC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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