[AusNOG] Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal]

[Matthew Zobel]

See.  that's the thing about the market, when the need arises there will be
a business case to implement it.  At which point there are plently of people
on this list who represent companies that would be more than happy to meet
that need.  And in any case how are we supposed to know what the
requirements will be in 30 years time (the investment time of the NBN)??
Maybe wireless will be the be all and end all becuase everyone is using
tablet's and phones? Maybe not.  Maybe we'll be kicking ourselves because we
put down the wrong type of fibre, and we're stuck paying off a useless
investment that we have to overbuild again. Point is we just don't know.
Better to give the market the flexibility to meet those needs as/when
required.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Andrew Oskam <percy at th3interw3bs.net>wrote:

> So are you saying that because fibre *currently* doesn't have any real
> benefit for the avg tax payer that we should never implement it unless the
> need suddenly arises?
>
> What about future-proofing? Why wait 10 years for the need to suddenly come
> and then when you actually do need that fibre it's not there?
>
> Sometimes it's not about what we had in the past and what we have now -
> it's about the future.
>
>
>   Andrew Oskam
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> On 11/08/2010, at 4:28 PM, Matthew Zobel wrote:
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>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Greg M <gregm at servu.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Grahame,
>>>
>>>
>>> My place of work would gladly pay that cost for me to be able to work
>>> ($5k NBN build up front) from home, however they wouldn’t fit a bill of say
>>> $50k+ if someone say Nextgen or Amcom/PIPE – whoever, was to lay fiber
>>> direct to my house if there wasn’t an NBN.
>>>
>>
>> But if the true cost is $50k vs $5k for the NBN your effectivily saying
>> it's not economical to run fibre to your house.  That pretty much kills the
>> "business case" for the NBN right there.  Why should the tax payer subsidise
>> running fibre to your house when most everyone else won't get any real
>> benefit from it.
>>
>> No-one here has given even one compelling reason for FTTH.
>>
>> IPTV
>> Smart Metering
>> coverged phone line and data (VoIP)
>> Teleconferrencing
>> etc
>>
>> none of these offer any real value to the average tax payer.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
>>> ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Grahame Lynch
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 August 2010 12:15 PM
>>> *To:* Paul Brooks
>>> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Long live the NBN. The NBN is dead?! [personal]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 August 2010 11:04, Paul Brooks <pbrooks-ausnog at layer10.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps your need hasn't changed. Mine has, and over the next 10 - 30
>>> years I suspect it will change more. I no longer have a single PC shared
>>> by all in the household - I have several, each capable of saturating far
>>> more capacity than thye one I had 10 years ago, along with several
>>> people who all want to access network resources simultaneously. I'm
>>> currently finding sub-1 Mbps upstream speeds quite limiting - and
>>> economically and productively limiting - and others do too.
>>>
>>> Paul I accept all that but I ask a question.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you personally prepared to pay for the real cost of that service
>>> since you experience a private benefit or productivity gain? Or should the
>>> cost of that be partly borne by others who don't necessarily share the
>>> productivity gain? That seems to be the nub of the issue here - most people
>>> will pay $40-50 a month for broadband but they wouldn't pay the implied
>>> $3,000-5,000 per household connection and activation cost of the NBN budget
>>> directly if asked to...in strict economic terms, it is a transfer from
>>> non-high speed broadband users to high speed broadband users where costs are
>>> very hazily proportioned between public and private interest criteria....
>>>
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