[AusNOG] List charter Vs Reporters on the list

[Daniel Hooper]

+1 .. or simply replying back to the list shaming the company / person who's trying to pick up a sale or story.

-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Carter
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 4:19 PM
To: Matt Carter; 'McDonald Richards'; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] List charter Vs Reporters on the list

Hi all,

Hope you are well.

To start, I agree with all prior posts.... however is this not also a form of censorship... talk to the comms minister (Conroy!!!)

I have had this too many times as well!!!

An option is an "abuse" enforcement and reporting system and related filter by domain, blacklisting to prevent alias's. I accept that this has many issues and limitations, but companies that solicits or reports will be quick to enforce a staff policy to not solicit from the list if they are banished company/domain wide!!

Just another 2c

Stephen Carter
Working Technology

-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matt Carter
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 6:10 PM
To: 'McDonald Richards'; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] List charter Vs Reporters on the list

> 
> Maybe we start a closed ausnog-ops list which isn't so open? :)

I think this is a great idea.

My observation given the evolution of this type of list in this country over a long period of time, would be that there is progressively more and more people whose only interest is to receive technical, "seed" if you will type information from the list for their own purposes. They do not offer anything significant of value in terms of responding to requests for assistance, discuss current operational and industry related issues ( or any of the the items stated in the AusNOG charter ) . 

The resulting degree of openness within the members, and willingness to begin a thread, ask for assistance etc, is clearly reduced from the times of old. I'm not saying we should go back to the kind of slanging matches that existed on those lists either -  BUT - maybe we need to ask ourselves, with regards to "ops" type threads, and technical "NOG" openness - is the current constituency of this list based on the outcomes, really conducive with the aims of the list? Would you go to a technical "NOG" style gathering and talk to your peers over a beer with a reporter sitting there with a notepad and pen? It hardly promotes openness amongst technical operators and that is very disappointing.

It's like there is this network community yardstick you can call upon, but have to temper your use of that yardstick for fear of reporter's running off with something you have said. I certainly don't want reporters calling up provider's I'm mentioning in emails placing relationships under stress, just because they think they have a story that would be good for the paper, when all I'm trying to do is go hey, do you see what I see? If network operators are unhappy, they will solicit the media, and this blatant disregard of the charter with regards to significant operational issues, seems to be an ongoing issue. 

When you are under fault condition, adding reporters and the issues they create to the mess you already have at hand, is just ridiculously disrespectful.

I think in some cases, people make posts because they are looking for something outside the scope of the process and procedures they have. We can all fall back on our fault management processes, but we are looking for a more direct route to other people "in the know". Reporters and sales droids should not be riding those coat tails at the pointy end of the operational biz, just to be "in the know"

My 2c.

Kind regards,


_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
#####################################################################################
Scanned by MailMarshal - Marshal8e6's comprehensive email content security solution. 
Download a free evaluation of MailMarshal at www.marshal.com #####################################################################################
_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog