[AusNOG] NBNCo releases its response to industry consultation

[Sean K. Finn]

Or we could all just keep doing what we are doing and ignore the NBN altogether and let it strangle the government.

S

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of roland at chan.id.au
Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2010 8:03 PM
To: Mark Smith; ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net; Narelle
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBNCo releases its response to industry consultation

It could be worse/different. Do you remember when there were 600 retail ISPs?

Isn't the Internet meant to disintermediate? If so, doesn't that include Internet access?

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From: Mark Smith <nanog at 85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:02:43 
To: Narelle<narellec at gmail.com>
Cc: <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBNCo releases its response to industry consultation

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:36:44 +1300
Narelle <narellec at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not going to buy into the rest of this argument (today) but I am
> astounded that very few of you argued for a larger number of
> aggregated service options into the NBN.
> 
> So everyone realises they'll have to spend money, time, effort and
> energy installing kit at ALL of NBN Co's 200+ fibre serving areas in
> order to deliver any services to customers?
> 
> Hmm?
> 
> Or wait for others to build out wholesale services for you to retail?
> 

^^^

Most likely the case, as it is now. According to Whirlpool's ISP
database there are 228 ISPs in Australia, yet I'm pretty sure there are
no more than between 10 to 20 of them deploying their own ADSL
hardware into exchanges. Most of those remaining 200 or so ISPs'
infrastructure will consist of a few servers, a few routers, and maybe
a rack or so of colo holding it somewhere. They just don't have deep
enough pockets to roll out larger ISP infrastructure. It's 'corner deli'
verses 'supermarket chain' without much in between.


> How exactly does that promote competition and broader geographic
> service delivery, when surely most ISPs - sorry RSPs - will hit what
> they think is commercially an easy ROI?
> 
> Sure, Telstra's FTTN model of one (or was it two?) points of
> interconnect per state ONLY was too far the other way.
> 
> I'm just going on NBN Co's response, here, so I have to take it on
> good faith that ours was the only submission calling for OPTIONS for
> higher service aggregation.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Bevan Slattery
> <Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com> wrote:
> > Maybe you have missed the mark on having an attack at those DSLAM
> > operators "screaming the loudest" who are not prepared to invest in
> > competitive infrastructure other than DSLAM's.  These guys just haven't
> > invested in DSLAM's, they've actually invested in DSLAM's with BACKHAUL
> > (dark fibre) so they can differentiate their products by not just
> > offering an ADSL 2+ line speed, but offer an ADSL2+ internet experience
> > along with multicast, along with uncontended backhaul.
> 
> It's the best way to deliver a standardised, entry level service while
> you build your customer base.
> 
> If, and when, things take off then you build out your own kit, and
> backhaul, at a lower overall cost. If it doesn't, then you
> differentiate more on services as a boutique provider with the costs
> under control.
> 
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> Narelle
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> Narelle
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> vice-president   isoc-au.org.au
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