[AusNOG] Issues with Cisco IOS 12.4(25) ?

Thu May 7 09:48:52 EST 2009

This model works pretty well for Juniper.  Except they give you all (or
almost all) of the features for free, and they test their code before
releasing it to customers.

-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Hooper
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 1:00 PM
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Issues with Cisco IOS 12.4(25) ?

I think it's only going to get worse. I just sat through a short webcast
on some of the new ISR range and they were also discussing the new
licensing model for IOS. The gist of it that I understood (and correct
me if I'm wrong please) is that IOS will soon come fully featured loaded
and various features enabled or disabled by software activation codes.

So essentially, your box comes with the kitchen sink loaded, meaning a
boot load more code running in the background and a lot more to go wrong
in the way of bugs.

-Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of John Lindsay
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 5:44 AM
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Issues with Cisco IOS 12.4(25) ?

Cisco: "we're not a hardware company  we're a software company"

Me: "but not a good software company"

Still waiting for a quote for something unusual but not complex since  
March.

I don't understand why customers are so loyal to Cisco still. It used  
to be that the TAC was there to solve the curly stuff but now they're  
the beta feedback centre.

One guy I met suggested the problem was Cisco was a millionaires  
factory. Some of the programmers are now insanely wealthy and don't  
feel motivated to work but no one will sack them because there's too  
much IP in their heads.

Whatever the cause, there are less buggy, more capable platforms  
supported at least as well for less dollars but they scare staff  
because they have invested their own time to become qualified by Cisco.

If Juniper wants more market share they just need to run free training  
programs, ideally out of business hours. Online, downloadable videos  
would be ideal because the targets already have free Internet access :-)

Cheers,

jsl

On 06/05/2009, at 12:29 AM, "Jay Mitchell" <jay at miscreant.org> wrote:

> There still are GD's available for download, but  they seem more  
> common (or
> only exist?) in the 12.2/12.3 strains for platforms like the 720x  
> VXR's.
>
> Can't say I've seen a 12.4 GD for any of my kit though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Tom Storey
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 12:45 AM
> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Issues with Cisco IOS 12.4(25) ?
>
> On the topic of perhaps-a-bit-too-fresh IOS images...
>
> Is it just me or does there not seem to be a single "stable/
> production" IOS release available for download from Cisco?
>
> Everything I see is tagged "ED" (Early Deployment).
>
> I seem to remember the days when there would be at least a few
> "GD" (General Deployment) images, which I understood to be "ripe" and
> "go nuts and put it on everything".
>
> Tom
>
> On 05/05/2009, at 11:40 PM, Ross Delaforce wrote:
>
>> Hi Greg
>>
>> At my employer we upgraded one of our Internet facing 7200s to
>> 12.4(25) and had it crash twice in around 45mins.  Also had major
>> issues with it bringing up BGP sessions running password protection
>> to 3 out of 5 peers that ran it.
>>
>> Ended up doing a stack of dumps for TAC but gave in and rolled back
>> to 12.4(23).  We also bailed on the idea of doing our 2801/21/51
>> fleet until we had an opportunity to gain lab time to test it before
>> deployment anywhere.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rossco
>>
>> Ross Delaforce
>> From: Greg [mailto:gregm at servu.net.au]
>> To: ausnog at ausnog.net
>> Sent: Tue, 05 May 2009 23:58:27 +1000
>> Subject: [AusNOG] Issues with Cisco IOS 12.4(25) ?
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Is anyone on AUSNOG running this on any of their Cisco 2800/7200's?
>>
>> We upgraded one of our borders to this last week, and since then
>> have been
>> having constant issues.
>>
>> eg:
>>
>> bdr1.per uptime is 24 minutes
>> System returned to ROM by error - a Software forced crash, PC
>> 0x4007C19C at
>> 13:36:51 UTC Tue May 5 2009
>>
>> We have submitted a TAC case, but have yet to hear a resolution. We
>> were
>> about to push this out to about 10 2811's and a bunch more
>> 720(4/6)vxr's but
>> at this stage are holding off....
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Greg
>>
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