[AusNOG] [LINK] [ISOC-AU-mems] Happy Birthday ... AARNet

[Geoff Huston]

On 17/03/2009, at 2:45 PM, Narelle wrote:

> I think some of you guys are confusing ACSNet, CSIRONet and AARNet.

nope - bits of my memory might be fading, but not that :-)



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> Big difference is uucp vs IP.

um - no!

ACSNET was its own protocol - it was loosely derived from the UUCP  
work but the key differentiator was the addition of virtual channels  
into the wire.

CSIRONET was an X.25 network that was ostensibly an access network  
using the X.25 PAD protocols to gain access to thge CSIRO time shares  
hosts. There were CSIRONET access nodes (PDP-11's running the X.25  
software with leased line connections) on a number of the large  
campuses. CSIRO used to charge for access to their mainframe systems,  
but did not charge for the network component. So it was possible at  
the time to make edge-to-edge connections across CSIRONET without  
incurring a bill

AARNet started out as a multi-proto network - Pete Elford and I set up  
DECnet, X.25 and IP in the first instance.




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> WIth AARNet in 89 we set out IP addressing plans and built network.

well we had 3 addressplans underway

>
> In ACSNet and CSIRONet things were nailed together via serial links
> and uucp.

well, everything uses "serial links" of one sort or another.

> I have a paper here on CSIRONet dating back to 71. Data was
> certainly transferred, and messages sent, even chat and email on
> ACSNet, but it was not IP.

ACSnet was never a real time system - email, yes by the truckload,  
usenet news and various forms of ftp-via-email relays.


CSIRONet was an early X.25 system. Telstra came out with their Austpac  
product some years later.

>
> IP networks, when done in _public_ equals Internet... AARNet was first
> here in Australia...
>


That's certainly my recollection as well.

> But yeah - munnari spanned both, didn't it?


munnari was Robert Elz's host. It was multi-lingual in that it spanned  
ACSnet, the UUCP network and had a 'master' sendmail.cf config file  
that was managed with awesome excellence! It acted as a major relay  
hub for many years in the 80's and early 90's/

enough of this old fart stuff - back to work!

;-)

   Geoff


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> Narelle
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> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Mark Prior <mrp at mrp.net> wrote:
>> Geoff Huston wrote:
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>>> late 80's a number of places started doing inter-capital leased  
>>> lines
>>> (Sydney to Melbourne first, then in 1989 Adelaide to Melbourne and
>>> Canberra to Melbourne). The first of these leased lines was 9.6k  
>>> (syd
>>> - melb) and the later ones ran at 48K (which were nailed up 64K
>>> digital voice carriers from the telco fabric with 2 bits per frame
>>> ripped out by encoding, clocking and CPE O&M for the DDS service).
>>
>> Telstra delivered the ADL/MEL circuit the week after the  
>> Networkshop in
>> Adelaide. I remember kre sitting in our computing lab at Adelaide Uni
>> using the 9600/4800/9600 baud links via CSIRO to get back to  
>> munnari :-)
>> Where is kre?
>>
>> Mark.
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