[AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange

[Steve Baxter]

And SAIX as well.

BTW  - I had a hand in four of those. I suppose I got it right
eventually !

Cheers,

SB 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Baxter 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:56 PM
> To: 'Curtis Bayne'; 'allan.dib at voxcom.com.au'; Daragh Mc Grath
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange
> 
> NISP
> AUIX
> AusBone
> SIX
> BIX
> VIX
> 
> What will you call it ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> SB 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net 
> > [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Curtis Bayne
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:30 PM
> > To: Adrian Chadd; Daragh Mc Grath
> > Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange
> > 
> > This is a concept which I have been considering in depth 
> for about two 
> > years now.
> > 
> > It's gone as far as a planning stage, but we pulled back in 
> the belief 
> > that, as a commercial organization, we do not add any value over 
> > current commercial operations - put quite simply, it's a "nice to 
> > have" but as an commercial venture it is doomed to failure 
> (this is a 
> > testament to the quality of PIPE's product).
> > 
> > I am both willing and able to participate, whether it be 
> financially 
> > or through the provision of space (co-location or
> > otherwise) to make a venture such as this a reality.
> > 
> > Anyone in Brisbane who is *serious* about making this happen can 
> > contact me either on or off list - I am happy to provide resources, 
> > strategic direction or moral support (whatever is most 
> needed) and I 
> > don't doubt there are others like me willing to support 
> this kind of 
> > operation.
> > 
> > Curtis
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net on behalf of Adrian Chadd
> > Sent: Wed 12/16/2009 4:11 PM
> > To: Daragh Mc Grath
> > Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009, Daragh Mc Grath wrote:
> > > I'm glad to see this discussion has been kicked off here, it's 
> > > something I've thought about on and off over the past few years.
> > >
> > > Having worked for a major European exchange in the past 
> (LINX) I've 
> > > been disappointed by the approach to peering here in
> > Australia since I
> > > moved around 2 years ago. Not having the big telco's present at 
> > > exchange points is the obvious cause, and given their
> > willingness to
> > > participate at other exchange points around the world but
> > not at home, this is disappointing.
> > 
> > There's reasons for this.
> > 
> > > I believe that unless you have the major players engaged, an 
> > > alternative exchange is not going to happen (or may do, but
> > won't be
> > > as successful as it should!). The best way of trying to
> > encourage that
> > > is for an exchange to be setup as outlined by MMC, mutually
> > owned and
> > > most importantly, operate as a not for profit. To quote
> > LINX, existing for the good of the internet.
> > >
> > > I will be following this thread with interest.
> > 
> > The large telcos don't peer publicly because they want to sell 
> > transit.
> > Larger ISPs that started peering when they were smaller ISPs are 
> > waking up to this.
> > 
> > ISPs in the European/American markets have woken up to this. 
> > You can't necessarily get peering with everyone these days. 
> > The telco's may be at an IX but they won't peer with you at it. The 
> > reason the large telco's were historically at the AU IXes 
> is because 
> > of the MLPA mandate.
> > It does not at all mean they do not peer.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Adrian
> > 
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