[AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering

[Skeeve Stevens]

Jay,

Problem is I am one man.... and the opinion of one of meaningless.  If an entire body, denomination had a position, then that may be better heard.

I agree with what they are trying to achieve, just not how though.

...Skeeve

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of jay binks
Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 1:30 AM
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering

Skeeve,
  you should let Family First know how you feel about this http://www.familyfirst.org.au/ContactUs.htm

I think anyone identifying as Christian in faith & opposing Content filtering should let FF know the extent of their folly.

Jay

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net<mailto:Skeeve at eintellego.net>> wrote:
Doubtful.

People don't want to be told what they can watch/see - it is the interests groups that push these agendas.  The big push on the filtering has been from the Family First Party - some fringe Christian fundamentalist crazies who think they speak for all Christians - which as I am one, they don't - which has been voiced by many other Christians I have discussed this with. Senator Steve Fielding is the fundamentalist pushing the Family First agenda.  Problem is, the government has needed FF to get some other things through and this is one of the paybacks for FF.

If it did go to a vote - we'd be able to get our position out and most families would say no to a national censorship model - but the problem is that the 1% fundamentalists have 99% of the influence as when it comes down to it... most people don't care enough to stand up and say 'what? We don't need this garbage and are quite capable to choosing what we or our kids see on the internet'.

I still am astounded that the free filtering apps weren't considered good enough.  If you want to filter - great.. either use software or go to a family friendly ISP or buy a family friendly service from a major ISP.

Any ISP's - especially once which serve a lot of businesses - shouldn't have their business interrupted by worrying about what is essentially a consumer/end user problem.



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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Michael RISBY
Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 5:55 PM
To: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>

Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering

If it were to come down to a vote, I'd believe it would get the 'nod' anyway.
The number of 'Average Families' with little or no background computer knowledge would probably support it as they believe it would help protect their family.

Then again, it may swing our way. It's a fairly big gamble.

From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] On Behalf Of Mark Newton
Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 5:42 PM
To: Paul Foote
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Conroy announcement on filtering


On 15/12/2009, at 4:48 PM, Paul Foote wrote:

i'm not really clued up on govt laws, but shouldn't things like this be pushed to a referendum, or is it not big enough?

Referenda are only for constitutional amendments.

  - mark

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