[AusNOG] IPv4 Exhaustion, APNIC EC, and James is a nice bloke ; -)

[Kris Price]

NAT != security.



Curtis Bayne wrote:
> I really don't understand the anti-NAT zealots. It's like they want to take all of the things we've learned about giving public IPs to workstations (DCOM/RPC/NetBios exploits) and repeat them, all over again. No NAT = bad mmkay?
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> From: ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net [ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft [mmc at internode.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, 18 July 2008 12:45 PM
> To: Noel Butler
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4 Exhaustion, APNIC EC, and James is a nice bloke ; -)
> 
> My point was more that I've got an IPv4 /24 and use 10 addresses.   I've got an IPv6 /56 and use 6 addresses (my media players etc don't do v6 yet).    The density of allocation has decreased by <insert depressingly large number> (even if I just had a /64 for home) just to appease the anti-NAT zealots worshipping at the altar of the RFC2462 god.   I hope their puny stateful firewalls let the evil spirits into their networks and corrupt their virgin servers.
> 
> MMC
> 
> PS.  History never repeats, I tell myself before I goto sleep.
> 
> 
> Noel Butler wrote:
> this adds further proof about abuse and waste of existing IP resources, at least MMC is man enough to admit he's one of the guilty.
> 
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> On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 10:32, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
> 
> Free != Allocatable.
> 
> ie.  I have an (ancient) class C of my own at home.   I use about 10
> addresses all up.   So there are, let's call it 244 free.
> But no one can get an allocation out of that or, for example, Apple's /8.
> 
> MMC
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