<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I started reading this thread in my browser based mail and was wondering why I hadn't seen the OP and then why I wasn't seeing any of the other posts from Skeeve, yet I was reading the responses to them from others. At first I thought that the replies from Skeeve might have been to the person directly and then that person had replied to the list. Then as I continued to read the replies I realised this was not the case and that everyone was replying to "all". Then I went and looked in the 'spam' folder and all of the emails from Skeeve for this thread were sitting there.</span></div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color:
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style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 30 July 2014 4:51 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG Classifieds] v4Now Announcement: Update on Current Available Ranges - July 2014<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3655271647">
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">You profit from the sale though and charge a fee for it, don’t you? I am a supporter of what you’re trying to do but it’s no different to anyone else trying
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Classifieds [mailto:classifieds-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 30 July 2014 4:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Hughes<br>
<b>Cc:</b> classifieds<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG Classifieds] v4Now Announcement: Update on Current Available Ranges - July 2014</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">Ok, but I do NOT agree.. we are NOT a vendor, as we do not own the address space. The space is owned by the end-user, and we're simply representing it.. like a real-estate agent. Even any transaction is between the seller and buyer.</div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">So in my opinion (and others), we're not the vendor at all.... This just really seems like people being a pain in the ass for the sake of it. This list is for the benefit of the community, and helping the community is what we're doing
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">I request that you clarify the charter, either to specifically include people brokering, but not selling, or to exclude it... and if you exclude it, you should run a poll on the list to see how the community feels about it, not just those
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:28 PM, David Hughes <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david@hughes.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:david@hughes.com.au">david@hughes.com.au</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">Actually Skeeve, as previously discussed, in our opinion you are a vendor. You are a commercial entity that generates revenue from the sale of the resources your are advertising. As such your emails relating to the sale of other peoples
address space are not within the charter of either the AusNOG list or the AusNOG Classifieds list.</div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">Anybody on the list that wishes to sell THEIR OWN address space can do so quite happily within the charter of the Classifieds list.</div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">On 30/07/2014, at 2:00 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">Relax Damian. We're not a vendor, but a broker. There is a difference.</div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">We're just trying to connect buyers and sellers with what they need... in the network operator space. Why would you be upset about that? We don't post very often and have limited to a maximum of once per month.</div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal">On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Damian Guppy <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="yiv3655271647MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">I take this email as a vendor advertising, so I think this is a violation of the charter. </span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size:25.5pt;color:#202020;">IPv4 Announcement</span></b><span style="font-size:25.5pt;color:#202020;"></span></h1>
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<b><span style="font-size:25.5pt;color:#202020;">Update on Current Available Ranges</span></b><span style="font-size:25.5pt;color:#202020;"></span></h1>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#202020;">v4Now represents holders of IPv4 resources who are interested in selling all or part of their holding.</span><span style="font-size:22.5pt;color:#202020;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code FN194 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/17 (or 2*/18)</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code LP185 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/18 (or 2*/19)</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code SB028 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/20, /21, /22, /23</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code LW219 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/20 (or 2*/21)</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code BX005 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/21</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code FC022 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/19</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code BN012 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/16 (RIPE)</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code RT029 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/16 (RIPE)</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
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<span style="font-weight:normal;">Code BO026 - Resource Size: </span><b><span style="">/21, /22, /23, /24 (RIPE)</span></b><span style="font-weight:normal;"></span></h2>
<div align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:21.6pt;"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:indigo;">Region: </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#505050;">APNIC & RIPE<br>
</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:indigo;">Price: </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#505050;">All reasonable offers will be presented to resource holders<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:indigo;">Please visit:</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#666666;"> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#505050;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://v4now.com/ip-resource-offer/"><span style="color:red;">http://v4now.com/ip-resource-offer/</span></a></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:#666666;"> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:indigo;">to
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