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<div>Just cop it on the chin and play on, Skeeve.</div>
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<div>Don't have to act like a sore loser.</div>
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<div>Whether a vendor or broker, you're a commercial entity profiting from the transaction.</div>
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<div>The charter says no.<br>
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On 30 Jul 2014, at 2:45 pm, "Skeeve Stevens" <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ok, but I do NOT agree.. we are NOT a vendor, as we do not own the address space. The space is owned by the end-user, and we're simply representing it.. like a real-estate agent. Even any transaction is between the seller and buyer.
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<div>So in my opinion (and others), we're not the vendor at all.... This just really seems like people being a pain in the ass for the sake of it. This list is for the benefit of the community, and helping the community is what we're doing (whether we benefit
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<div>I request that you clarify the charter, either to specifically include people brokering, but not selling, or to exclude it... and if you exclude it, you should run a poll on the list to see how the community feels about it, not just those who whinge.</div>
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Actually Skeeve, as previously discussed, in our opinion you are a vendor. You are a commercial entity that generates revenue from the sale of the resources your are advertising. As such your emails relating to the sale of other peoples address space are
not within the charter of either the AusNOG list or the AusNOG Classifieds list.
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<div>Anybody on the list that wishes to sell THEIR OWN address space can do so quite happily within the charter of the Classifieds list.<br>
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<div>Skeeve, again, please refrain from sending emails of this nature to the list.</div>
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<div>On 30/07/2014, at 2:00 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>We're just trying to connect buyers and sellers with what they need... in the network operator space. Why would you be upset about that? We don't post very often and have limited to a maximum of once per month.</div>
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<div>><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium">The list is for network operators to post to, not vendors to advertise on.</span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium"> </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium">I take this email as a vendor advertising, so I think this is a violation of the charter. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium">Thanks,</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:'trebuchet ms','lucida grande','lucida sans unicode','lucida sans',tahoma,sans-serif"><span><span style="font-size:16px;line-height:25.600000381469727px">v4Now represents holders of IPv4 resources who are interested in selling all or
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