<div dir="ltr">Yes I do profit... but, from connecting people who need what each other have.<div><br></div><div>And IP resources is something that some of Ausnog desperately need... and will increasingly need even more.</div>

<div><br></div><div>I am just trying to facilitate people getting what they need.  I started this to HELP people, not to make money - and we don't make a lot anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>Would you prefer to deal with the American traders who run auctions and screw you for as much as possible?<br>

</div><div><br></div><div>My point is that by the charter, I am NOT a vendor as I am NOT selling anything, but connecting other people up with what they need.</div><div><br></div><div>I really expect more from people here... it seems as though some don't want to help others in the community, and some are pissed because they aren't making anything? wtf?</div>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Classifieds [mailto:<a href="mailto:classifieds-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">classifieds-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 30 July 2014 4:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Hughes<br>
<b>Cc:</b> classifieds<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG Classifieds] v4Now Announcement: Update on Current Available Ranges - July 2014<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually Skeeve, as previously discussed, in our opinion you are a vendor.  You are a commercial entity that generates revenue from the sale of the resources your are advertising.  As such your emails relating to the sale of other peoples
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 30/07/2014, at 2:00 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnogclassifieds@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>


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<span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";font-weight:normal">Code BO026 - Resource Size: </span><strong><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">/21, /22, /23, /24 (RIPE)</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";font-weight:normal"><u></u><u></u></span></h2>


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