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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Do you have netflix? Are you affected?<br>
      You're a customer and you have access to ACCC to get some buttock
      prodded ;-).<br>
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      I think the suggestion was involving that route in addition to
      your activities in the back end rather than instead of.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/08/2021 9:50 am, Matthew Enger
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Further
            to this, you end up with the other extreme, a customer
            believes Netflix (who are saying it is us) and then lodge a
            TIO complaint and we cannot fix it. So we get TIO fees for
            something which is not our fault and which we have been
            trying to fix.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
            customer just ends up upset as ultimately the party who
            needs to fix it are not responding and pointing fingers
            elsewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <strong>MATTHEW ENGER</strong> | Managing Director<br>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AusNOG
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"><ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net></a> on behalf of Nick
              Pratley <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nick@npratley.net"><nick@npratley.net></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Monday, 23 August 2021 at 9:48 am<br>
              <b>To: </b>Mark Andrews <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marka@isc.org"><marka@isc.org></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>AusNOG Mailing List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"><ausnog@ausnog.net></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] Netflix Contact<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">> Direct your customers to the
                  ACCC. They are paying for a service from Netflix that
                  they are not getting. That is illegal under Australian
                  consumer law.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">100% agree with this in principle<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">But the problem here is it's just
                  so easy to move providers now. 1 online order, no
                  setup fee, and a few hours later (sometimes minutes?)
                  the problem probably goes away as you are on another
                  provider with a different IP. That is easier than
                  dealing with ACCC / Netflix / Provider, right?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Kinda drives the providers to want
                  (and have) to fix it, before it becomes a mass exodus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Nick <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 11:21 PM Mark
              Andrews <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true">marka@isc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Direct your customers to the ACCC. They
              are paying for a service from Netflix that they are not
              getting. That is illegal under Australian consumer law.
              <br>
              <br>
              -- <br>
              Mark Andrews<br>
              <br>
              > On 22 Aug 2021, at 20:38, Jarryd Sullivan <<a
                href="mailto:Jarryd.Sullivan@team.aussiebroadband.com.au"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Jarryd.Sullivan@team.aussiebroadband.com.au</a>>
              wrote:<br>
              > <br>
              > Can +1, we're in the same boat, been asked to focus
              on using the ticketing system as our ticket is with the
              correct team (geoblocking/VPN) however got 1 reply that
              ignored half of what we wrote and has been radio silence
              since. Furthermore, we've confirmed with most of the
              customers that they have never tried to use a VPN to
              access content they shouldn't have access to, most of them
              were quite confused. They have raised cases with Netflix
              support themselves and have been instructed to contact
              their ISP if they're being blocked.<br>
              > <br>
              > Jarryd Sullivan<br>
              > <br>
              > <br>
              > From: AusNOG <<a
                href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>>
              on behalf of Nathan Brookfield <<a
                href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>><br>
              > Date: Sunday, 22 August 2021 at 7:50 pm<br>
              > To: Damian Ivereigh <<a
                href="mailto:damo@launtel.net.au" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">damo@launtel.net.au</a>><br>
              > Cc: AusNOG Mailing List <<a
                href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
              > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Netflix Contact<br>
              > <br>
              > This is actually a problem internationally that
              everyone is having and pretty much being ignored :(<br>
              > Nathan Brookfield<br>
              > General Manager<br>
              > <br>
              > p: 1300 592 330  |  m: 0401 424 445 |<br>
              > w: <a href="http://iperium.co/" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">http://iperium.co/</a><br>
              > On 22 Aug 2021, at 19:47, Damian Ivereigh <<a
                href="mailto:damo@launtel.net.au" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">damo@launtel.net.au</a>>
              wrote:<br>
              > <br>
              > Yeah mate, we're seeing the same thing. Very
              frustrating. Also have a ticket open with them.<br>
              > <br>
              > On Sun, 22 Aug 2021, 18:52 Matthew Enger, <mailto:<a
                href="mailto:m.enger@xi.com.au" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">m.enger@xi.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
              > Hello,<br>
              > <br>
              > Anyone got a Netflix contact who can help with
              vpn/cgnat/geo blocking?<br>
              > <br>
              > I have been emailing the peering db entry of mailto:<a
                href="mailto:geosupport@netflix.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">geosupport@netflix.com</a> who
              initially responded but then went dead.<br>
              > <br>
              > I have been following up regularly no reply. Created
              a new ticket, no reply to that either.<br>
              > <br>
              > This has been going on for a number of weeks and I
              know of a number of other providers also having similar
              issues so if anyone has a contact who can help I am sure
              the industry would appreciate it
              <span style="font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">😊</span><br>
              > <br>
              > Thanks.<br>
              > <br>
              > <br>
              > <br>
              > <br>
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