<div dir="ltr">Ever tried to convince NBNCo that they got incorrect maps from Telstra and that HFC will not be a suitable replacement for a single property with capacity for six legacy phone lines (terminating in different rooms)? They are not known for their ability to solve problems that deviate from their scripts!<div>It is almost certainly about politics. I have FTTC and while it has its problems, at least I can keep my connection online during a power outage by having the NCD hooked up to a UPS... I have heard reports of a large number of NCDs needing to be replaced due to lightning damage, but nobody has been particularly clear as to whether they are sensitive to it on the data copper side, or on the power side.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 10:36 AM Brendan Ord <<a href="mailto:bord@rivernet.net.au">bord@rivernet.net.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Damien, I agree with you. Lightning is going to be causing the same issues it always caused regardless of the technology; telegram, POTS, ADSL or VDSL from the curb or cabinet – nothing’s changed
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I smell a lot of agenda pushing and bias in this article and that’s about all it is.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Although, maybe a more important topic mentioned in the article – NBN won’t allow these businesses to buy a cold spare?!?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Damien Gardner Jnr<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 21 January 2021 9:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Troy Kelly <<a href="mailto:troy@troykelly.com" target="_blank">troy@troykelly.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yeah it really didn’t make sense to me. How is a product which only has a TINY bit of copper compared to FTTN and indeed the older POTS network, SO much more susceptible to lightning strikes? I mean, it’s Fibre to the pit, and then one
breakout box is running four(?) homes, with maybe 100-150m total of copper between all four homes’ runs? Unless lightning is hitting one of those houses, or the people in those houses are stupid enough to NOT be running surge protection on their gear (seriously,
wtf? Are there really people without surge protection these days? It’s been around for 30 years, and is on almost every power board Bunnings sell..), I don’t see how lightning can be an issue??<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 8:25 am, Troy Kelly <<a href="mailto:troy@troykelly.com" target="_blank">troy@troykelly.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess my point was - why is (is it?) FTTC somehow apparently more susceptible to discharge issues than POTS was/is. Perhaps I am getting the wrong impression from the article.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wednesday, 20 January 2021 10:15 PM, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">markzzzsmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Hi Troy,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Lightning has always been an issue for the copper network – the old adage “don’t use the phone in a storm” comes to mind.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Certainly where my mum is, in Springwood, the copper is above-ground-- you often see a 100-pair floating off the power poles, with the house pair coming from a jumper box mounted up high. This would contribute towards the issues seen.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>So it definitely has some merit – my mum has already had to have the FTTC NCD replaced once in the (less than) 12 months she’s had an NBN connection.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>The article states “Our technical teams continuously look to investigate ways to reduce the impact of lightning on our electronic equipment with ongoing testing and trials as part of this process.” – this I can attest to, as I have two properties which will
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 20 January 2021 20:54<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it something about the Blue Mountains in particular, or is this article rubbish?<u></u><u></u></p>
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