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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As somebody who lives in one of the areas that gets affected a lot, and that the article was mostly written about I believe, I can tell you that there are a lot more NTD’s getting damaged than there was ADSL modems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I can’t explain it either, it shouldn’t be happening, however people with surge protected power boards are copping it as well, it’s like it’s coming through the copper, maybe due to the nature of the DPU and other people connected, perhaps it’s transiting the DPU and damaging other NTD’s, I don’t know, but the DPU’s seem to be unaffected, only NTD’s, so it could be a design issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I don’t use NBN myself, however our local facebook page lights up whenever there is a storm approaching or upon us, with people talking about unplugging NTD’s etc. and then of course afterwards when people complain about no internet, and then the complaints that it’s taken NBN 5 days to get there and replace it </span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>😊</span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Many people have been told by the provider that NBN is looking at NTD’s which handle power spikes better, I don’t know what they are actually doing but that’s what people are being told.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The NBN techs will also not leave spare equipment, this makes sense of course, but I know the question has been asked many times in our community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I believe the article came about due to many people complaining to local MP’s about the issues and obviously the media has picked it up as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brendan Ord<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 21 January 2021 10:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Damien Gardner Jnr <rendrag@rendrag.net><br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Damien, I agree with you. Lightning is going to be causing the same issues it always caused regardless of the technology; telegram, POTS, ADSL or VDSL from the curb or cabinet – nothing’s changed because there’s still copper conductors in the ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I smell a lot of agenda pushing and bias in this article and that’s about all it is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Although, maybe a more important topic mentioned in the article – NBN won’t allow these businesses to buy a cold spare?!?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=450 style='width:337.5pt'><tr><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'></td></tr><tr><td style='padding:11.25pt 0cm 7.5pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#EC591A'>Brendan Ord</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Damien Gardner Jnr<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 21 January 2021 9:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> Troy Kelly <<a href="mailto:troy@troykelly.com">troy@troykelly.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Lightning and FTTC - is it really this bad?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yeah it really didn’t make sense to me. How is a product which only has a TINY bit of copper compared to FTTN and indeed the older POTS network, SO much more susceptible to lightning strikes? I mean, it’s Fibre to the pit, and then one breakout box is running four(?) homes, with maybe 100-150m total of copper between all four homes’ runs? Unless lightning is hitting one of those houses, or the people in those houses are stupid enough to NOT be running surge protection on their gear (seriously, wtf? Are there really people without surge protection these days? It’s been around for 30 years, and is on almost every power board Bunnings sell..), I don’t see how lightning can be an issue??<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Something doesn’t make sense here..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>—DG<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 8:25 am, Troy Kelly <<a href="mailto:troy@troykelly.com">troy@troykelly.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes Mark, I've heard of it ;)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I guess my point was - why is (is it?) FTTC somehow apparently more susceptible to discharge issues than POTS was/is. Perhaps I am getting the wrong impression from the article.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Regards, Troy</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Brevity is the elixir of life.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Father Hector McGrath, Pixie 2020</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wednesday, 20 January 2021 10:15 PM, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">markzzzsmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Heard of ADSL? POTS?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If the Internet was only meant to run over fibre, there wouldn't have been any ARPANET or Internet before the late 1980s or early 1990s.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Fun fact, RFC1 was written on a typewriter in a bathroom in 1969, because Steve didn't want to disturb his flatmates.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>BCP89.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>