<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">"That tends to be more a regional issue when backhauled by microwave"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>I guess also some areas that have only Telstra backhaul (Think anything north of Geraldton in WA for example) would only buy minimal amounts of backhaul from Telstra to a capital city. </div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:26 AM Joseph Goldman <<a href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au">joe@apcs.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    I do a 'little' bit of radio work so I am in no way an expert.<br>
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      From my understanding it can be a mixture of both. Metro areas
      shouldn't really have a problem on backhaul as busy towers would
      have 10, 40, or even 100gbit circuits to the base of the tower,
      that tends to be more a regional issue when backhauled by
      microwave.<br>
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      Spectrum - to simplify things think of a single chain Wireless
      802.11G, old school 54mbps Wifi in the 2.4ghz 20mhz channel (or
      10mhz, i forget what G was) - 54Mbps is the total airtime so to
      speak, that means 1 user using it can get up to 54mbps, add 10
      users, and they all try using it together, they are not all going
      to get 54mbps at the same time. They are essentially sharing that
      pool of bandwidth between them.<br>
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      There are of course many other factors, TDMA timings, spectrum
      sharing, MIMO etc, but at a simple overview, more people putting
      more demand in the air = more noise for the radios to fit in a
      limited spectrum.<br>
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       As said there is a lot more to it then that but should get the
      discussion started.<br>
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    <div>On 2020-03-23 2:01 PM, Roy Adams wrote:<br>
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          needed for clarification also.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Philippines
          carriers are a mess.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">Just to
          add to the mix, the provider I use has 10+ APN's, and on any
          given day, 1 or 2 of the APN's will be consistently faster
          than the other 8.</div>
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    Each APN is likely being broadcast by a different radio/cell on the
    tower (or even potentially different towers), if certain cells/APN's
    are super busy, then you are likely getting onto the less busy ones
    when you get better results.<br>
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          Backhaul, Spectrum, APN are the factors where I cannot figure
          the slowness.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 12:42,
          Troy Kelly <<a href="mailto:troy@troykelly.com" target="_blank">troy@troykelly.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div>I understand that this isn't directly related to shifting
            packets - but it's come up in discussions a few times, and I
            feel like my understanding of things is wrong - if somebody
            has a few minutes for a diversion to their day - I'd love
            some clarity.<br>
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          <div>If a mobile carrier was to remove data caps, there would
            obviously be increased demand on the network. One of the
            arguments against removing data caps is that there is "not
            enough spectrum" available - and this there would be a
            massive speed impact for all users of the cell/tower.<br>
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          <div>My understanding was that the tower slowdowns were
            typically related to a lack of backhaul - but the argument I
            am seeing is that it is spectrum related.<br>
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          <div>Thanks in advance for any clarity you can share.<br>
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          <div>Troy</div>
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