<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div>Are you really considering blocking customers' access to services, via the connectivity/bandwidth they pay you for, because of the company that provides that service?<br></div><div><br></div><div>After so much heated argument over net neutrality, I feel this shouldn't even be a discussion.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'd wager it wasn't even Telstra making the cellular vs wifi choice, it was the devices.<br></div><div><br></div><div>James<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, 12 Oct 2019, at 09:31, James Harmey wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><div><div dir="auto">I looked into this as to allowing traffic for WiFi calling on our corporate WiFi. <br></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Allowing (or denying) traffic to these URLs should be enough to manage WiFi calling. <br></div><div dir="auto"><p style="margin: 0.8em 0px;"><span style="font-family:CustomOpenSans, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class="font"></span></p><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace" class="font">epdg.epc.<carrier mnc>.<carrier mcc>.<a href="http://pub.3gppnetwork.org">pub.3gppnetwork.org</a></span><br></div><p></p><p style="margin: 0.8em 0px;"><span style="font-family:CustomOpenSans, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class="font">so for Telstra that would be:</span><br></p><p style="margin: 0.8em 0px;"><span style="font-family:CustomOpenSans, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" class="font"></span></p><div><span style="font-family:menlo,consolas,"courier new",monospace" class="font"><a href="http://epdg.epc.mnc001.mcc505.pub.3gppnetwork.org">epdg.epc.mnc001.mcc505.pub.3gppnetwork.org</a></span><br></div><p></p></div><div><div dir="auto">The MNC and MMC values are publicly available. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It’s also just an IPSec tunnel so you could always block that if you were so inclined. <br></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div class="qt-gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 10:15, <<a href="mailto:mike@ozonline.com.au">mike@ozonline.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;" class="qt-gmail_quote"><div>Hi All,<br></div><div> <br></div><div> So Telstra mobile services increasingly seem to revert to using<br></div><div> Wifi calling even in the presence of decent signal strength.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> If I were a CDN wanting to connect to Telstra IP,<br></div><div> they'd charge me for injecting traffic into their network or for transit,<br></div><div> and yet Telstra is injecting traffic into our our network to carry <br></div><div> some of their cell traffic, without payment or agreement.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Now you might say, sure, but we're doing that for our customers not <br></div><div> for Telstra. But Telstra themselves will charge CDNs for delivering <br></div><div> content<br></div><div> to Telstra's customers, something Telstra's end customers are presumably<br></div><div> already paying for. So yeah, we know in this industry what is good for the<br></div><div> goose is not always good for the gander.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Another point, Telstra, who are our sworn competitors, are using our <br></div><div> network for Wifi calling to supplement their mobile network. Presumably<br></div><div> this use of their competitor's networks reduces their capital investment<br></div><div> requirement and supports their revenue stream by raising the<br></div><div> quality of their coverage. Hence Telstra's use of their competitor's networks<br></div><div> enhances their ability to dominate the industry, again without<br></div><div> any kind of settlement to their competitor ISPs.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Thoughts?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Also, anyone have any thoughts about what ACL one might put in place<br></div><div> to block wifi calling if one was of a mind to?<br></div><div> <br></div><div> Michael<br></div><div> Australia On Line.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div> _______________________________________________<br></div><div> AusNOG mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer" href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br></div></blockquote></div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>AusNOG mailing list<br></div><div>AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<br></div><div>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></body></html>