<div><div><div dir="auto">Hi Phil,</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Definitely something that should be considered by both TIA942 and the uptime institute specs. Need to reach out to them. Ways to monitor EMP development and testing may also be a necessity via several satellites (and/or other methods) so that active EMP threats are monitored although now we’re talking high end of national security & sovereignty. We have the IT geniuses of the country here together, it would be good if we could work together to start closing off all the risks. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Would the US license their black box 📦 operations if we paid for it and in return covered off such risks to both of us?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Phil, great suggestions. </div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Chris</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 7:48 am, Dave Fairbairn <<a href="mailto:dave@dpcomputing.com.au" target="_blank">dave@dpcomputing.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 10 September 2019 1:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phillip Grasso <<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ausnog <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Risks to country and business infrastructure<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 5 Sep 2019, at 11:55 PM, Chris Macko <<a href="mailto:chrismackozdell@gmail.com" target="_blank">chrismackozdell@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Examples of this include TIA942 and the Uptime Institute specs requiring bullet proof glass yet no one has a procedure to stop 1kg let alone 100kg of servers filled with explosives from entering our data centres disguised as normal server equipment within
fully racks brought in by clients during colo moves.<br>
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That’s a bit of a movie-plot threat, though.<br>
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If an adversary has reached the point where that’s a sensible tack for them to take, I’m going to offer that nothing your company does is going to be capable of stopping them because your imagination is unlikely to be as good as theirs, and we’re well into
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I expect that most of this community’s denizens will find that they’re protected from this (supposed) threat by being in multiple locations in any case. Unless you’re going to up the movie plot stakes by saying the adversary is in all of them at the same time.<br>
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(Can I also point out that the threat posed by smuggled explosives is indistinguishable from the threat posed by earthquake, flood, or fire, and companies with business continuity plans capable of withstanding completely predictable natural disasters have no
need to invest additional stress into dealing with the next Die Hard sequel? You’re either prepared or you aren’t; And everyone already knows how to prepare, they just differ in how much they want to spend doing it)<br>
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