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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just for reference youtube would need
      18000 humans in seats watching youtube 24/7 to have human
      screening of youtube.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Say around 72,000 employees give or
      take. If my maths is right (and it could well be out by an order
      of magnitude) that's is a nice round billion dollars in wages cost
      at US minimum wage.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">That's presuming they are watching in
      real time of course not some kind of clockwork orange torture
      chamber with 10 videos simultaneously at warp speed then just
      firing them when they miss something.</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/4/19 11:54 am, Scott Wilson
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I feel like legislation will compel tech companies
        to implement human screening in some capacity, and there will be
        huge downsides to that - I mean, which is more likely:
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          a) screening team members are offered abundant mental health
          support resources, given follow-through on reporting (that
          video you flagged last year resulted in a conviction and a
          jail sentence, congratulations!) and are limited to short
          periods...</div>
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        <div>or:</div>
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        <div>b) screening team members are a minimum wage
          disposable/contractor/gig economy workforce, desperate for any
          income, performance tracked to the extreme (we require 55
          minutes of video content viewed per hour) and discarded when
          they inevitably burn out?</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 11:45,
          Nick Stallman <<a href="mailto:nick@agentpoint.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">nick@agentpoint.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I
          didn't know Tineye could tell if an image was violent or not.<br>
          <br>
          The existing systems work for copyright purposes, finding a
          similar match.<br>
          This works to some extent currently, and can handle
          recompression, <br>
          scaling, etc...<br>
          It falls apart when an adversary wants to get around it
          however.<br>
          <br>
          But for the case that this legislation is targeting, i.e.
          taking down <br>
          violent video, fingerprinting is useless.<br>
          It's brand new content - completely impossible to detect in
          advance.<br>
          You can only remove the content after it's been distributed
          for quite <br>
          some time, not pre-emptively which is what the politicians
          want.<br>
          <br>
          On 10/4/19 11:16 am, Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
          > <a
href="https://tineye.com/search/f274c3b49edcca9a6d83994a43629445a5ea5a23/"
            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://tineye.com/search/f274c3b49edcca9a6d83994a43629445a5ea5a23/</a><br>
          ><br>
          > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 11:12, Matt Palmer <<a
            href="mailto:mpalmer@hezmatt.org" target="_blank"
            moz-do-not-send="true">mpalmer@hezmatt.org</a> <br>
          > <mailto:<a href="mailto:mpalmer@hezmatt.org"
            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mpalmer@hezmatt.org</a>>>
          wrote:<br>
          ><br>
          >     On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:56:12AM +1000, Paul
          Wilkins wrote:<br>
          >     > Now I would say that for instance, if the
          eSecurity Director<br>
          >     posts the CRC<br>
          >     > of a file as being "abhorrent violent" content,
          and your company<br>
          >     doesn't<br>
          >     > expeditiously take down that material, expect
          problems down the<br>
          >     pike. I<br>
          >     > doubt a CRC check alone is sufficient.<br>
          ><br>
          >     Given that a CRC changes if you modify any bit of the
          file, and<br>
          >     common CRC<br>
          >     implementations have a space of either 16 or 32 bits
          (65,536 and<br>
          >     ~4 billion<br>
          >     possible values, respectively), "insufficient"
          doesn't even begin to<br>
          >     describe such a scheme.<br>
          ><br>
          >     > I'd say a fingerprinting system to<br>
          >     > match altered copies of the subject file should
          be implemented.<br>
          ><br>
          >     Once again with this magical "figerprinting" scheme. 
          Nothing like<br>
          >     what<br>
          >     you're describing actually exists.  Further, there's
          no point in each<br>
          >     company coming up with their own scheme for
          calculating this magical<br>
          >     fingerprint, because if the eSecurity Director wants
          to say "take down<br>
          >     everything like this fingerprint" they have to use
          the *same*<br>
          >     scheme to come<br>
          >     up with the same fingerprint.<br>
          ><br>
          >     > It doesn't have to work in all cases.<br>
          ><br>
          >     It won't work in *any* case.<br>
          ><br>
          >     > I am not a lawyer. This is not expert advice.<br>
          ><br>
          >     Yes, I think that is quite evident.<br>
          ><br>
          >     - Matt<br>
          ><br>
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