<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">So best advice I could make specific to hosting providers (not social media companies) would be, to comply with the legislation:<br><br>1 - Update EUAs with a clause that abhorrent violent content breaches the service agreement.<br><br>2 - Ensure you have in place a mechanism to match electronic fingerprints of material similar to anything identified in a eSafety Commissioner's notice.<br><br>By the by, without a mechanism for the eSafety Commissioner to match content (a common mechanism for electronic fingerprinting material across hosting providers), the eSafety Commissioner will find themselves playing whack a mole chasing content specific to each hosting provider. That's their obligation, and I somehow think they'll be reluctant to go there.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I'm not a lawyer. This isn't expert opinion.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Kind regards<br><br>Paul Wilkins<br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 14:02, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm not sure that the legislation creates a duty to proactively remove abhorrent violent content. It imposes a condition of "recklessness". Is it reckless to wait for the eSafety Commissioner to issue a written notice before addressing the issue?<br><br>It's arguable that it's not. If the eSafety Commissioner hasn't provided the requisite notice, either they're reckless, or the material's not of sufficient gravity that it becomes reckless not to remove it. Or, if the eSafety Commissioner is indeed reckless through not issuing a written notice, is that justification for a content provider not to remove the content? In my non expert opinion, I see nothing in the Act that creates an obligation to proactively monitor and censor content. As Narelle says, you don't want to be assessing this stuff. Hosting services provide an IT function. They're not, nor should they be required to be content or legal experts.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I would say that it would clearly be reckless upon receiving written notice from the eSafety Commissioner to not take down the subject material, and anything of similar nature identified through an electronic fingerprint.<br><br>Also there are no obligations to remove content whatsoever for the provision of carriage alone.<br><br>I'm not a lawyer. This isn't expert opinion.<br><br>Kind regards<br><br>Paul Wilkins<br><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 09:50, Narelle Clark <<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com" target="_blank">narellec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There are good third party clearing houses for some of this stuff. Whether it's cost effective or appropriate for the average Australian ISP in this context. We'll find out I suppose.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The Internet Watch Foundation is what we use for .org monitoring and validation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You really don't want your own staff assessing this stuff.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Narelle </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 9 Apr. 2019, 5:55 am Scott Weeks, <<a href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com" target="_blank">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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*474.32 Abhorrent violent conduct*<br>
(1) For the purposes of this Subdivision, a person <br>
engages in abhorrent violent conduct if the person:<br>
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(c) attempts to murder another person; or<br>
(d) tortures another person; or<br>
(e) rapes another person ; or<br>
(f) kidnaps another person<br>
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solution. The obvious question is who gets to <br>
decide what is a terrorist act, or torture, or...<br>
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