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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 4, 2019 4:48 pm<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I've skimmed the bill, and without apologies, I support the intent, for the following reasons:<br>
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There is much on the internet that is simply not fit for human consumption, and the state ought to have the power to remove it. Where the bill specifies abhorrent violent content, I think most sane people realise there is nothing to gain in allowing this content.<br>
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The big social media companies, principally US based, will beef, because their business model has to align to the 1st amendment. It will *gasp* cost them money to have to remove this rubbish.<br>
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Also why the focus on the rights of media companies to disseminate content not fit for human consumption? What about the rights of the individuals involved? The people being kidnapped, raped, tortured, murdered on video have rights, and those rights extend
to not having the video available to indulge the morbid prurience of the deeply disturbed, 4chan, and others.<br>
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The bill explicitly excludes provision of carriage as grounds for being considered a content provider. So the bill can't actually be used to ban dark net, regrettable though that may be.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 at 12:38, Serge Burjak <<a href="mailto:sburjak@systech.com.au">sburjak@systech.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So I was in a thing yesterday with a very senior government relations person from one of the top 3 clouds. And they'd been advised the legislation had very vague wording, meant that they and all cloud services had potential liability.<br>
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<div>At least one other major cloud's lobbyists had the same advice. Both tried to alert the government to the fact they'd cast the net far wider than anticipated.
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<div>So some hurried back-channel efforts were made to change the wording of the legislation to be more specific about social media.
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<div>Those changes weren't made and this government relations pro was flabbergasted at the haste and lack of consultation.</div>
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<div>He said it just makes it easier for people to fling FUD at the whole local industry.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Just to clarify - it was introduced to the Senate and approved last night. It will hit the House of Reps today.</div>
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<div dir="auto">And the PJCIS hasn't even seen it.</div>
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<div dir="auto">This is flawed in so many ways, and it will affect our industry massively. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Why should anyone build a content related business here? How do we protect staff and customers from malicious posting in order to invoke this legislation? </div>
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<div dir="auto">Parliament has just rushed through more impractical legislation to jail executives of content providers (that would be all of us) if vile content is not removed "expeditiously".</div>
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<div dir="auto">Here is some reaction to it...</div>
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<div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif; font-size:12.8px">Overview: <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-04-04/facebook-youtube-social-media-laws-rushed-and-flawed-critics-say/10965812" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="text-decoration-line:none; color:rgb(66,133,244)">https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-04-04/facebook-youtube-social-media-laws-rushed-and-flawed-critics-say/10965812</a></div>
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