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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/02/2019 4:48 pm, Troy Kelly
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">My understanding (which could well be misguided) was that not only would you have to move offshore - but you would also have to employ no Australian's at any point of your technical production line.
The law an instruct any Australian national, anywhere, to comply and provide assistance.
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<p>They would also need to not market in Australia, nor have
customers located in Australia (regardless of nationality) on the
customer list. Australians located outside Australia are OK as
customers.<br>
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<p>The law also applies to any organisation anywhere in the world
that provides services in Australia - the actual words are:</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">"The person provides an electronic service
that has one or more end-users in Australia".</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">"the person provides a service that
facilitates, or is ancillary or incidental to, the provision of
an electronic service that has one or more end-users in
Australia"</blockquote>
This, or have one version for Australians/in Australia (subject to
the laws) and one version for outside Australia (arguably not
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<p>It is THIS aspect where Australia will be harmed, as
organisations who do not wish to be subject to the requirements
need to pull out of the Australian market for customers.</p>
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On Tuesday, 26 February 2019 4:08 PM, Mark Andrews <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marka@isc.org"><marka@isc.org></a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Given the secrecy provisions in the legislation their customers are already leaving them. The only way to retain those customers is to relocate.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 26 Feb 2019, at 2:25 pm, James Hodgkinson <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yaleman@ricetek.net">yaleman@ricetek.net</a> wrote:
They’ve been pretty public about their intent [0], not sure why you’d take “we need to leave Australia” from their statement. I’d agree if they want to avoid ever having to comply then sure, but that’s quite the extreme.
James
[0] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabill-australia/">https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabill-australia/</a>
On Tue, 26 Feb 2019, at 12:18, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lauricat@fastmail.fm">lauricat@fastmail.fm</a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">G'day.
Apologies if off-topic, but I have seen previous threads on this subject..
A well written response from an Australian IT company (* Disclaimer: A happy customer here!)
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=ec39b475-9559-4fa4-94ca-d45294534200&subId=666615">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=ec39b475-9559-4fa4-94ca-d45294534200&subId=666615</a>
>From what I can see they have no choice but go offshore.
Cheers
Laurie.
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