<div dir="ltr"><div>Interestingly (well, ok, debateable), FM200 is a HFC gas, and so <a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiGj8Wlh6PfAhUEAXIKHdUPCP8QFjAAegQICRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.environment.gov.au%2Fsystem%2Ffiles%2Fresources%2F89680d9c-b867-488e-bca0-a63d450bc781%2Ffiles%2Fgaseous-fire-suppression-systems-australia-stage-1.docx&usg=AOvVaw0rwtO-qsRURkemrmVcoTM8">is being phased out</a>.</div><div><br></div><div></div><div></div><div>
<span></span>
<p style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;direction:ltr;text-align:left" align="justify">
<font color="#00000a"><font face="Calibri, serif"><font style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span lang="en-AU">Following
a Review of the Ozone Protection and Synthetic Greenhouse Gas
Management Program, on 30 March 2017 the Minister for the Environment
and Energy, the Hon Josh Frydenberg MP, introduced the <b>Ozone
Protection and Synthetic Greenhouse Gas Management Legislation
Amendment Bill 2017</b> into Parliament. On the 19 June 2017 this
legislation passed through Parliament. The key measure included in
the Amendment Bill is the introduction of a phase-down of HFC imports
commencing in 2018 and includes a range of complementary compliance
and enforcement powers. </span></font></font></font>
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<p style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;direction:ltr;text-align:left" lang="en-AU" align="justify">
<br>
</p>
<p style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%;direction:ltr;text-align:left" align="justify">
<font color="#00000a"><font face="Calibri, serif"><font style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span lang="en-AU">In
relation to the Fire Protection Services Industry this legislation
will commence a phasedown of the most popular gas used within the
industry. </span></font></font></font><font color="#00000a"><font face="Calibri, serif"><font style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><b>FM200</b>®</font></font></font><font color="#00000a"><font face="Calibri, serif"><font style="font-size:11pt" size="2"><span lang="en-AU">
(a SGG) is widely utilised due to its physical properties and
fire-fighting effectiveness compared to other non-scheduled gases.
The fire protection services industry will need to transition over
the coming decades to enable this phasedown to occur whilst still
providing optimal essential safety measures.</span></font></font></font></p>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 17:39, Jason Leschnik <<a href="mailto:jason@leschnik.me">jason@leschnik.me</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Awesome reply Mark! </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 at 11:59, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
Halon was banned at the same time as CFCs in aerosols and
refrigerants because it's an Ozone depleting gas. There should not
be any Halon datacentres anywhere in Australia. Probably not
anywhere in the world, tbqh.<br>
<br>
Aviation is an exempt use, which is why you saw it on your C-17. You
can buy fixed or portable halon systems intended for deployment in
aircraft even today (for example:
<a class="gmail-m_5369334539434030655gmail-m_-6443472150577915566moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php?clickkey=11303" target="_blank">https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/h3rhalon.php?clickkey=11303</a>
-- one of the few few ways you can acquire ozone depleting gasses as
a retail customer in 2018!)<br>
<br>
CO2 is a hazardous gas, and should be pretty rare for fire
suppression. Possible that there are still some small and/or ancient
systems out there, but risk assessment under OHS&W legislation
ought to have seen them all replaced by now.<br>
<br>
Datacentres in Australia will be using FM-200 or Inergen. FM-200 can
be stored in compressed gas or liquid; obviously liquid means the
storage takes up significantly less volume. FM-200 has fallen out of
favor during the last five years because it's a greenhouse gas,
which makes me regret not having a crystal ball when I was putting
it in datacentres ten years ago :-)<br>
<br>
Both of them are engineered solutions which take the room volume
into account. The goal is to add enough gas to the room to drop the
oxygen content from 19% to something in the 15%-17% range, which is
low enough to extinguish most fire but high enough to sustain human
life. If you're in the room when it goes off you'll end up
uncomfortably short of breath (and probably very cold!), but you
shouldn't suffocate if the system has been designed properly.<br>
<br>
A complete system will generally also include a pre-action dry pipe
deluge sprinkler system which can trigger if the gas fails to
extinguish the fire.<br>
<br>
... and a good insurance policy. If any of these systems go off,
might end up with system loss and/or data loss. Hard disks don't
like rapid pressure changes or large quantities of water, so all
bets are off once the VESDA trips out.<br>
<br>
- mark<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail-m_5369334539434030655gmail-m_-6443472150577915566moz-cite-prefix">On 12/13/2018 01:13 PM, Nathan Sullivan
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I remember walking onboard a C-17 Globemaster a
year or two ago at Amberley, still had Halon installed with
proper masks sitting next to the buttons. Probably one of those
"exempt" / "critical" use cases I'm sure being military...</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:10 PM Adam Gibson <<a href="mailto:a.gibson@springfieldcitygroup.com" target="_blank">a.gibson@springfieldcitygroup.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>FM200 is still used in a few
DC’s in Sydney and Brisbane to my knowledge. But is
costly to replace due to environmental charges.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In Polaris we check all our
bottles in accordance to the fire program (which was
approved upon completion with the fire code of that
time) which is every year, bottles are check and every
month, fire tech comes out to inspect gauges release
valves and all control boards. All bottles are to be
replaced every 10 years of less and Co2 bottles to
replaced every 3 years.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In my opinion, fire is
something that is neglected a lot in DC’s.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>AG</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Adam
Gibson</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Head
of Data Centres</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Springfield
City Group </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">t:
+61 7 3819 9999</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">f:
+61 7 3819 9900</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">m:
+61 4 00 807 822</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">e:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><a href="mailto:a.gibson@springfieldcitygroup.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(5,99,193)">mailto:a.gibson@springfieldcitygroup.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,255)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Forster<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 13 December 2018 10:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au" target="_blank">chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNog] : Re Data Centre
Fire Suppression Safety</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Pretty sure halon is banned, but
fm200 is the gas used these days?</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.safelife.az/en/index.php/services/firefighting-by-gas.html" target="_blank">https://www.safelife.az/en/index.php/services/firefighting-by-gas.html</a></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Firstly,
the most important advantage of the use of
chemical gas - it is safe for people and
electronic equipment. During fire fighting gas
is used in a concentration not to be harmful to
human health and life. When using the FM200 gas
concentration of oxygen in the room is reduced
by 3%. Along with the fact that such a
composition of the air is not sufficient to
continue the fire, it allows people who are
there to breathe.</span></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:01 AM
Chris Ford <<a href="mailto:chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au" target="_blank">chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">As a university cadet working
for IBM in the late 80s I remember getting
inducted into the Westpac data centres and
getting a long explanation of what to do when
the halon system went off – where the breathing
gear was, where the exits were, to basically
just drop everything and run.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Have been inducted into a few
DCs in the last 3 years and can’t remember that
being part of the induction at all – although
given I already knew it I may have just glossed
over that part.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>--</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">
<span>Chris
Ford</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">
<span>Chief
Technology Officer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">
<span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>INABOX
GROUP</span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">
<b><span>m</span></b><b><span>
</span></b><span>0401
988 844
</span><b><span>e</span></b><b><span>
</span></b><a href="mailto:chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au" target="_blank"><span>chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>t</span></b><b><span>
</span></b><span>02 8275
6871
</span><b><span>w</span></b><b><span>
</span></b><a href="http://www.inaboxgroup.com.au" target="_blank"><span>www.inaboxgroup.com.au</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt">
<b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> AusNOG <</span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Wilkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 13 December 2018 10:53
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] [AUSNog] : Re Data
Centre Fire Suppression Safety</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36pt">
</p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt">
Every data centre has a fire suppression
system. We're not used to thinking of this
as a hazardous environment, but consequent
to
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/12/antarctica-two-technicians-dead-mcmurdo-station-ross-island" target="_blank">
two techs being found dead working on a
fire suppression system in Antarctica</a>,
I find myself wondering yet again, why there
aren't more stringent controls around the
fire suppression systems in data centres:
viz - when you enter a data centre, how
confident can you be you're not going to be
quietly asphyxiated?<br>
<br>
Kind regards<br>
<br>
Paul Wilkins</p>
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