<div dir="ltr"><div>I am not saying you are my lawyer, enemy, etc.... thanks for all the information I have no interest to create map of a company which is available in simple search and put it in Network Atlas. We do not actually even do that. Just please do not tell me having this data publicly available is a national risk or not allowed. That is not the case. <br></div><div><br></div><div>We provide the platform that enables network operators, enthusiasts and other interested parties to provide the data they are authorized to share and we find unique ways (which you do not see yet in the demo but you will in Q1 2019). We welcome any level that is satisfactory to the owner of the asset which makes them feel comfortable to share the data they have. We also welcome those who do not want to share when they are ready. We do not collect, create, modify kmzs , we are only the platform , we simply encourage and help those who want to provide the data. <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:52 PM Bevan Slattery <<a href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au">bevan@slattery.net.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="direction:ltr">But if you take my “publicly available information” that is bound by copyright and then reproduce that on an atlas that you make available to other people. Where have I seen that before?</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">That’s right. Just because it’s publicly available doesn’t actually give you the right to reproduce. If I wish to produce my network maps in low detail (rather than street level), image based (rather than CAD/KML) in my investor
presentations then that’s my business. There’s a reason I’m ok to reproduce my maps from data into a “presentation” is because that process is protected by copyright and actually means if you decide to reverse engineer same then you’re in breach and I can
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<div style="direction:ltr">So if the Superloop network turns up in your atlas then, well there’s a very good chance you’ve breached copyright.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">***Details of settlement below****</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">PIPE Networks has settled out of court with Market Clarity over the analyst firm's allegedly unauthorised reproduction of detailed PIPE network maps in its research.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Chief executive of PIPE, Bevan Slattery, said today that Market Clarity had agreed to pay "a sum of money" to settle the matter.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">The analyst firm also agreed to "reduce the detail" of their depiction of PIPE's network in Market Clarity's Australian Telecom Infrastructure Atlas 2009.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">PIPE's network would now be "depicted in a 'logical diagram' fashion, and a disclaimer inserted to make plain that Market Clarity has not verified the accuracy of the maps".</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Market Clarity was to also notify PIPE in advance of any proposed changes to the depiction of PIPE's network assets in the Atlas.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">The settlement resulted from mediation ordered by the Federal Court, as revealed by iTnews.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">"This settlement is not a reflection on the strength of PIPE's case, but rather that PIPE was able to obtain a satisfactory outcome without the time and expense of going to trial," Slattery said.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">"PIPE values both its intellectual property and its reputation very highly. [We] will vigorously pursue anyone who it believes has infringed its intellectual property."</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">PIPE had lodged an application back in April for injunctive relief restraining Market Clarity from reproducing, licensing, publishing or communicating to the public maps of PIPE Networks' fibre optic cables.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:10 pm<br>
<b>To:</b> Bevan Slattery<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gavin Tweedie; <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.slideshare.net/PranavRao17/superloop-investor-presentation" target="_blank">https://www.slideshare.net/PranavRao17/superloop-investor-presentation</a></div>
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<div>We do not need more detail than what is publicly available. We do not plan to be a manhole-by-manhole network planning website. </div>
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<div>We want people to see visually which networks are operationally having issues, that's it.</div>
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but at least it makes its harder.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><a href="https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/01/russia-spies-espionage-trump-239003" target="_blank">https://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/01/russia-spies-espionage-trump-239003</a></div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">At least there is a potential client for you here :)</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 1, 2018 2:28 am<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au" target="_blank">bevan@slattery.net.au</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gavin Tweedie; <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
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<div>I was always told that is the case and when I asked my prior vendors in australia they kindly gave me these , so I would really love to see 1) the law? 2) restrictions related to this anywhere public I can read to educate myself.</div>
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<div>appreciate your help</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:13 am<br>
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O.K. :) <br>
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thank you for the correction Gavin <br>
On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 5:10 PM Gavin Tweedie <<a href="mailto:gavin.tweedie@megaport.com" target="_blank">gavin.tweedie@megaport.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> FYI <br>
> <br>
> TPG does own AAPT <br>
> Superloop does not own Megaport <br>
> <br>
> Gavin <br>
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> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 09:02, Mehmet Akcin <<a href="mailto:mehmet@akcin.net" target="_blank">mehmet@akcin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> thank you someone who pinged me privately and told me some contacts <br>
>> from various companies who have fibre on the ground. We are in the <br>
>> process of building a self service portal however, if you want to send <br>
>> me high level KMZs (we need them to be good but not perfectly accurate <br>
>> (like manhole by manhole accurate is not needed for our purpose) <br>
>> <br>
>> if you are working for <br>
>> <br>
>> - Superloop (also owns Megaport) <br>
>> - Vocus <br>
>> - AARNet <br>
>> - Telstra <br>
>> - Optus <br>
>> - AAPT <br>
>> - TPG <br>
>> <br>
>> and want to share - please contact me offlist ;) and we will put your <br>
>> KMZs on <a href="http://www.networkatlas.org" target="_blank">www.networkatlas.org</a><br>
>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:51 PM Mehmet Akcin <<a href="mailto:mehmet@akcin.net" target="_blank">mehmet@akcin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > <br>
>> > Cameron, We are working on it. We hope that soon we will have some <br>
>> > terrestrial data available. I honestly think it will be a miracle if <br>
>> > we can get anyone to share though, because i think there are some <br>
>> > major single points of failure in the infrastructure and operators <br>
>> > don't want to share that. <br>
>> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 1:32 PM Cameron Murray <<a href="mailto:cameron.murray@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.murray@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > > <br>
>> > > Page works for me - Interesting clicking around. <br>
>> > > <br>
>> > > It would be great to see some terrestrial/over-land data added for Australia similar to the USA.<br>
>> > > <br>
>> > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:12 AM Damien Gardner Jnr <<a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net" target="_blank">rendrag@rendrag.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > >> <br>
>> > >> Seems to be offline? (<a href="http://www.networkatlas.org" target="_blank">www.networkatlas.org</a> redirects to<a href="http://dev.networkatlas.org" target="_blank">dev.networkatlas.org</a> which is giving connection refused..)<br>
>> > >> <br>
>> > >> What's it meant to do? :) <br>
>> > >> <br>
>> > >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 04:00, Mehmet Akcin <<a href="mailto:mehmet@akcin.net" target="_blank">mehmet@akcin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> Hello everyone, <br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> We wanted to share several updates about our project Network Atlas <br>
>> > >>> with you. First of all we are very excited to announce now our page <br>
>> > >>> has many more features (and more to come) and hosted in a much more <br>
>> > >>> robust platform at <a href="http://www.networkatlas.org" target="_blank">
www.networkatlas.org</a> <br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> We've recently made a press release about our project , <br>
>> > >>> <a href="https://finance.yahoo.com/news/network-atlas-launches-map-global-221500875.html" target="_blank">
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/network-atlas-launches-map-global-221500875.html</a><br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> Now we are working on two major tracks <br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> 1) Raising funds via sponsorship and our kickstarter to be able to <br>
>> > >>> afford future of developments. <br>
>> > >>> 2) Talking to engineers , network professionals to understand what <br>
>> > >>> would make this tool better everyone. <br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> As you might be already aware we have a slack channel you can join and <br>
>> > >>> discuss/help the project. here is the slack channel link - <br>
>> > >>> <a href="https://join.slack.com/t/kapany/shared_invite/enQtNDUwOTIzMDEwODM4LWE5NjNmOWRkMmQxYmYzYWU1YmI0ZmEwNWVlODllY2U1MGU5OTVhZDk4YjA1ZmFiN2VhYWI5ZWUyMGQ0YjU0OTc" target="_blank">
https://join.slack.com/t/kapany/shared_invite/enQtNDUwOTIzMDEwODM4LWE5NjNmOWRkMmQxYmYzYWU1YmI0ZmEwNWVlODllY2U1MGU5OTVhZDk4YjA1ZmFiN2VhYWI5ZWUyMGQ0YjU0OTc</a><br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> Overall we need network operators who have access to <br>
>> > >>> networks/fibre/route information and operational status as we are <br>
>> > >>> developing our self service portal which via GUI and API will enable <br>
>> > >>> you to be able to provide status of global fibre optic cables, and <br>
>> > >>> receive updates the same way. <br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> For more information about this project, and other ideas feel free to <br>
>> > >>> join our slack or email me directly at <a href="mailto:mehmet@networkatlas.org" target="_blank">
mehmet@networkatlas.org</a> <br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> thank you and we will follow up with further updates in December 2018! <br>
>> > >>> We are very excited how far we came so far providing more visibility <br>
>> > >>> already ( even though we are just in demo state ) <br>
>> > >>> <br>
>> > >>> Mehmet <br>
>> > >>> Network Atlas <br>
>> > >>> <a href="https://angel.co/mhmtkcn" target="_blank">https://angel.co/mhmtkcn</a><br>
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>> > >> -- <br>
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>> > >> Damien Gardner Jnr <br>
>> > >> VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust <br>
>> > >> <a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net" target="_blank">rendrag@rendrag.net</a> -<a href="http://www.rendrag.net/" target="_blank">http://www.rendrag.net/</a>
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