<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm wondering when the other shoe will drop that the Bill enables mass collection and analysis of metadata without any further legislation needed. Or the implications that metadata from multiple sources (phone towers/CCTV/Social Media), lays the foundations for the establishment of the machinery of a police state. Of course, this will make prosecution of crime straightforward (the police will only need to correlate crime against a database of the public's electronic fingerprints). However, such powerful machinery can be used for oppressive purposes, and the Bill is absent the checks and balances consistent with the traditions and institutions of Liberal Democracy.<br> <br>If one were cynical you might think the Bill's outrageous overreach is deliberate, a Trumpist ploy to enrage the unthinking. And when we see critics of the Bill slandered for being weak on terrorism, maybe not so wide of the mark or so cynical.<br><br>Kind regards<br><br>Paul Wilkins<br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 04:15, Scott Weeks <<a href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 18:12, Christian Heinrich<br>
<<a href="mailto:christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au" target="_blank">christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> <a href="https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-police-arrest-three-people-allegedly-planning-a-terror-attack-in-melbourne/news-story/e6a92273b37dce750937e1e0f86a7dcd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-police-arrest-three-people-allegedly-planning-a-terror-attack-in-melbourne/news-story/e6a92273b37dce750937e1e0f86a7dcd</a><br>
> has quoted Mr Dutton on WhatsApp again but from my reading WhatsApp<br>
> was not used in this specific case?<br>
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This has now been alleged within<br>
<a href="https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/unacceptable-risk-the-secret-way-terrorists-and-criminals-are-communicating/news-story/731ca32e7432601d6b3ce5ca4f34bf80" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/unacceptable-risk-the-secret-way-terrorists-and-criminals-are-communicating/news-story/731ca32e7432601d6b3ce5ca4f34bf80</a><br>
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These stories read like gov't scare tactics.  Scare people <br>
enough and they'll 'give up liberty for a little safety'.<br>
They do not read like objective journalism.'<br>
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How did they catch everyone without eliminating privacy<br>
anyway?  Good ol' police work?<br>
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