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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Rob. <br>
In the latest, Dutton wants to speed up the Bill and have it
passed "next week", and has apparently asked the PJCIS to cut
short its evaluation, according to reporting of an interview on
Sky News.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.itnews.com.au/news/dutton-tries-to-speed-up-encryption-bill-515862">Dutton
tries to speed up encryption bill</a><br>
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(Point of clarification - that bit about smart and dumb criminals
was while trying to explain the difference between a system having
a capability that can be used by the operator to implement a "act
or thing", and an operator actually using that capability in a
particular instance against a particular target - and that the
existence of the capability isn't and shouldn't be secret, even if
the actual use in response to a warrant was still kept a secret.
That distinction has been difficult for the committee to
understand without a simple illustration.)<br>
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Paul.<br>
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On 21/11/2018 2:00 PM, Robert Hudson wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">(Not necessarily a direct response to Paul's
email, just additional data for the thread).
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<div dir="auto">Traditional media are starting to pick this up,
and they're just parroting the govt position. Macquarie Radio
news at 8am ran a story on it this morning, and it was all
about Dutton saying he wants the legislation passed quickly so
they can catch more terrorists.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Other than the point well made by Paul Brooks
that the only criminals who will be caught by this are the
dumb ones (there was a link made between this proposed
legislation and three potential terrorists were were arrested
- without this legislation in place), and the smarter
criminals (ie those capable of tieing their own shoe laces)
will simply use software that is not subject to the
legislation, there is an extension - to break the encryption
WILL involve creating vulnerabilities (there's simply no way
around this), and those vulnerabilities will then be available
for criminals (the bar may be higher than shoelaces, maybe
they can button their own shirts as well) to exploit and
compromise data that is legitimately encrypted.</div>
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<div dir="auto">In summary - there is no upside to this proposed
legislation as far as encryption goes, and there is a
significant potential downside.</div>
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<div dir="auto">It cannot be allowed to pass.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 21 Nov. 2018, 12:09 pm Paul Wilkins <<a
href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm wondering when the other shoe will drop
that the Bill enables mass collection and analysis of
metadata without any further legislation needed. Or the
implications that metadata from multiple sources (phone
towers/CCTV/Social Media), lays the foundations for the
establishment of the machinery of a police state. Of
course, this will make prosecution of crime
straightforward (the police will only need to correlate
crime against a database of the public's electronic
fingerprints). However, such powerful machinery can be
used for oppressive purposes, and the Bill is absent the
checks and balances consistent with the traditions and
institutions of Liberal Democracy.<br>
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If one were cynical you might think the Bill's outrageous
overreach is deliberate, a Trumpist ploy to enrage the
unthinking. And when we see critics of the Bill slandered
for being weak on terrorism, maybe not so wide of the mark
or so cynical.<br>
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Kind regards<br>
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Paul Wilkins<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 04:15, Scott Weeks
<<a href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>>
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 18:12, Christian Heinrich<br>
<<a href="mailto:christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au</a>>
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> <a
href="https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-police-arrest-three-people-allegedly-planning-a-terror-attack-in-melbourne/news-story/e6a92273b37dce750937e1e0f86a7dcd"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-police-arrest-three-people-allegedly-planning-a-terror-attack-in-melbourne/news-story/e6a92273b37dce750937e1e0f86a7dcd</a><br>
> has quoted Mr Dutton on WhatsApp again but from my
reading WhatsApp<br>
> was not used in this specific case?<br>
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This has now been alleged within<br>
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href="https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/unacceptable-risk-the-secret-way-terrorists-and-criminals-are-communicating/news-story/731ca32e7432601d6b3ce5ca4f34bf80"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/unacceptable-risk-the-secret-way-terrorists-and-criminals-are-communicating/news-story/731ca32e7432601d6b3ce5ca4f34bf80</a><br>
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These stories read like gov't scare tactics. Scare people
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enough and they'll 'give up liberty for a little safety'.<br>
They do not read like objective journalism.'<br>
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How did they catch everyone without eliminating privacy<br>
anyway? Good ol' police work?<br>
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