<div dir="ltr"><div>These are all good points.</div><div><br></div><div>Home Affairs put up this Bill on the premise it's needed to fight terrorism and serious crime in the context of increasing use of encryption. Unfortunately, this isn't that bill.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Home Affairs seem rather uninterested in explaining why the remit of this Bill goes well beyond this:</div><div><br></div><div>1 - Why is there no judicial oversite of these sweeping police powers?</div><div>2 - Scope of powers go beyond terrorism and serious crime when it's not supposed to.<br></div><div>3 - It supports the establishment of the machinery of mass surveillance when it's not supposed to.<br></div><div>4 - It weakens the Internet's security, when it's not supposed to.</div><div>5 - Why are there no limits to ensure issue of TCNs/TANs/TARs are necessary and proportionate to the human right to privacy, unrevokeable per the Declaration of Human Rights.<br></div><div>6 - Why are there no limits to ensure issue of TCNs/TANs/TARs are
necessary and proportionate to service providers rights private property, unrevokeable
per the Declaration of Human Rights.</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately the way the Bill's drafted, the only limit on the use of the Bill's powers is the Dep't Home Affairs.</div><div><br></div><div>There's also the very interesting constitutional question, how, when Police Powers lie with the States, what constitutional head of power supports the Bill's scope, without enabling legislation from the States conferring power.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Paul Wilkins<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 at 10:34, Scott Weeks <<a href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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It's still Friday here, so I am looking like I'm working <br>
while reading these posts as I only have an hour and a <br>
half to go before happy hour starts... ;-)<br>
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--- <a href="mailto:christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au" target="_blank">christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au</a> wrote:<br>
From: Christian Heinrich <<a href="mailto:christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au" target="_blank">christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au</a>><br>
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Also <br>
<a href="https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/are-encrypted-phones-allowing-criminals-to-get-away-with-murder-20150523-gh82gv.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/are-encrypted-phones-allowing-criminals-to-get-away-with-murder-20150523-gh82gv.html</a><br>
which was 55 devices and 800 clients.<br>
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Therefore the TAC et al are overkill within the context of the<br>
Australian population of 25,000,000+<br>
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This is a joke. Right? <br>
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"...with the devices being used to arrange at least two recent <br>
murders and hampered investigations into at least two others."<br>
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"Phantom Secure...enables messages to be sent and ledgers kept <br>
on a device which investigators cannot crack or intercept."<br>
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"...we are confident we can erode their impact."<br>
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So if the criminals used postal mail to arrange those crimes<br>
and sent ledgers in the postal mail, would they say 'we have <br>
to be able to read every postal mail' to erode their impact <br>
and ensure safety and national security??? And, 4 crimes <br>
happened on a cell phone that's encrypted, so we need to be <br>
able to read the contents of 25 million+ cell phones whenever <br>
we want. Just in case. <br>
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"...representatives from the NSW Police have travelled to <br>
BlackBerry's headquarters in Canada in a bid to get advice <br>
on how to retrieve information from the encrypted devices."<br>
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Wow, a free trip to Canada because they can't do phone calls <br>
of internet video conferencing? Something stinks!<br>
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<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-04/queensland-fraud-squad-raised-$800k-three-years-project-synergy/8858852" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-04/queensland-fraud-squad-raised-$800k-three-years-project-synergy/8858852</a><br>
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"Earlier this year the ABC lodged a right to information <br>
application for documents outlining how much money had <br>
been raised by Project Synergy.<br>
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It was refused by Queensland Police."<br>
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"The QPS has told the ABC that money raised was used for <br>
training, cyber-safety programs and fraud awareness."<br>
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BWAHAHAHAHA! No we're not going to tell you how we spent <br>
tons of money we shouldn't have spent. (Maybe for fun on <br>
the Canada trip?)<br>
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"...including some questionable items such as wine <br>
coolers for a children's program".<br>
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Further, we're going to get the kids drunk, so they won't <br>
either.<br>
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>:-) <= evil grin<br>
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