<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Paul, <br></div><div>I'm concerned that under s313(3)c and
s280(1)(b) Telecommunications Act 1997, TCNs/TANs can be issued to to create automated warrantless metadata access, and we've seen little discussion around this, mostly the focus has been on computer/data warrants.</div><div><br></div><div>There also used to be provision for voluntary disclosure by carriers to LEAs, which either I can't find or has been amended.<br></div><div><p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="2">Kind regards</font></span></p><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU"><div id="gmail-:21r" class="gmail-ajR" tabindex="0"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><img class="gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></span></div></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb gmail-adL"><p><font size="2">Paul Wilkins</font></p></span></span></div><div>

</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 11:58, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/648206/cisco-raises-grave-concerns-over-assistance-access-bill/" target="_blank">https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/648206/cisco-raises-grave-concerns-over-assistance-access-bill/</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">In a submission to parliament, the networking giant expressed "serious 
reservations" regarding provisions within the Bill that "threaten to 
undercut sustained efforts by Cisco and others to develop, deploy and 
maintain technologies that are secure, trustworthy, transparent and 
accountable".
  </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 11:28, Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au" target="_blank">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <div class="m_4309503317663661769m_-4861692866264567500moz-cite-prefix">The meetings (now 4 in total) have been
      listed on the Committee website for several weeks.<br>
      We (IA) were notified of our invitation to appear and speak two
      weeks ago while they were putting together the detailed runsheet.<br>
      <br>
      FWIW tomorrow I'll be appearing for Internet Australia at 2:30pm,
      and we've brought in Martin Thomson from the IAB to speak to the
      IAB submission in the same session (the program says Mark
      Nottingham, but Mark couldn't make it.)<br>
      <br>
      The morning session kicks off at 9am with Prof Danny Weitzner from
      MIT in Boston on audio conference, followed by Stanford Law. Both
      made excellent submissions, and should be entertaining listening.<br>
      <br>
      I plan to be there in the room for the day, if anyone in Sydney
      turning up in person wants to say g'day.<br>
      <br>
      cheers,<br>
          Paul.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 15/11/2018 10:41 AM, Nathan Brookfield wrote:<br>
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      Could they possibly give less notice.... Unbelievable!<br>
      <br>
      <div id="m_4309503317663661769m_-4861692866264567500AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Nathan Brookfield
        <div>Chief Executive Officer</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd</div>
        <div><a href="http://www.simtronic.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.simtronic.com.au</a></div>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">
            <div style="margin-left:40px">Media Release: Issue date: 14
              November 2018</div>
            <div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
            </div>
            <div style="margin-left:40px"><b>Second public hearing on
                the Encryption Bill</b></div>
            <div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
              The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and
              Other Legislation Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill
              2018 will be held on
              <b>Friday, 16 November 2018</b> in Sydney. The Committee
              will hear from academics, statutory oversight agencies,
              and industry peak bodies.<br>
              Details of the public hearing:<br>
              <b>9:00 am – 3.15pm<br>
                SMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St,
                Sydney (Carrington Room)</b></div>
            <div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
              The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/live" target="_blank">
                www.aph.gov.au/live</a>.</div>
            <div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
            </div>
            <div style="margin-left:40px">The full program of the
              hearing is available at <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings</a></div>
            <div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
              Additional hearings will be held in <b>Canberra on 27 and
                30 November</b>.<br>
              Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from
              the Committee’s website.<br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          <div dir="ltr">On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
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          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">
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                  <div dir="ltr">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=789049aa-edfc-48e2-a79c-0dd1c28f95b8&subId=662644" target="_blank">Communications
                          Alliance submission</a><strong>
                        </strong>makes the<strong> </strong>point both
                        s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications
                        Act 1997 are current extensively used to access
                        metadata.
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>It follows that under the new bill, about a
                        dozen LEAs will similarly be able to rely on
                        s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata
                        access.
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Kind regards <br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Paul Wilkins <br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">
              <div dir="ltr">On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins
                <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div dir="ltr"><span></span>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Coexistence
                    with Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications
                    Act)</p>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Passage
                    of this Bill will set the stage for mass
                    surveillance, where carriers are already subject to
                    data retention, but the Minister may further declare
                    any service provider subject to the metadata regime.</p>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">187A
                    Service providers must keep certain information and
                    documents</p>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">(3A) The
                    Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a
                    service to be a service to which this Part applies.</p>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
                  </p>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Such
                    declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting
                    days of Parliament, however nothing in the Act
                    prevents such a declaration being rolled over by the
                    Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in
                    perpetuity for any service they should designate.
                    All this would lie within the provisioned scope of
                    the Minister's powers without any further
                    legislation.</p>
                  <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Access
                    to such metadata does not necessarily require a
                    warrant. Access under the Telecommunications Act can
                    be rendered by the service provider as voluntary
                    assistance.
                  </p>
                </div>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">
                  <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul
                    Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div dir="ltr">
                        <div>Rob,</div>
                        <div>Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Kind regards
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                          <span class="m_4309503317663661769m_-4861692866264567500m_2208304165986503702m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-HOEnZb
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m_2208304165986503702m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-adL">Paul
                                  Wilkins</span></span></font></span></div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert
                        Hudson <<a href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hudrob@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        <div dir="ltr">Odd.  I signed up to track the
                          enquiry, but have had no notifications at all
                          that additional hearings had been scheduled.
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>There's an another additional day
                            according to the committee website - 27th
                            November.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Where did you see if information that
                            they're asking for supplementary
                            submissions?</div>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                          <div dir="ltr">On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28,
                            Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div dir="ltr">
                                <div dir="ltr"><b>UN's Special
                                    Rapporteur on the right to privacy</b>
                                  has weighed in on the PJCIS review
                                  with incandescent criticism:<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb&subId=661745" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb&subId=661745</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div style="margin-left:40px">In my
                                    considered view, the Assistance and
                                    Access Bill is an example of a
                                    poorly conceived national security
                                    measure that is equally as likely to
                                    endanger security as not; it is
                                    technologically questionnable if it
                                    can achieve its aims and avoid
                                    introducing vulnerabilities to the
                                    cybersecurity of all devices
                                    irrespective of whether they are
                                    mobiles, tablets, watches, cars,
                                    etc., and it unduly undermines human
                                    rights including the right to
                                    privacy. It is out of step with
                                    international rulings raising the
                                    related issue of how the Australian
                                    Government would enforce this law on
                                    transnational technology companies.<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                  I can't but think that if the Minister
                                  for Home Affairs to be doing  well to
                                  attract the ire of the United Nations
                                  and his timing couldn't be better,
                                  just as the Government has lost
                                  control of the House. I'm hopeful the
                                  Australian media will pick up on the
                                  interest of the UN in the Bill,
                                  fingers crossed.<br>
                                </div>
                                <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                </div>
                                <div dir="ltr">Furthermore, the PJCIS,
                                  after announcing two additional
                                  hearings 16/30 Nov, are also asking
                                  for
                                  <b>supplementary submissions, to be
                                    received no later than 26 November.</b><br>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                <div dir="ltr">
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                                          <div>Kind regards</div>
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                                              <div>Paul Wilkins</div>
                                            </span></span></div>
                                      </span></div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                              <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at
                                13:07, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                <div dir="ltr">
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                                    <div dir="ltr">
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                                        <div>We're at a critical
                                          juncture where the Minister
                                          for Home Affairs may get his
                                          way and steam roll this Bill
                                          through Parliament (how this
                                          could play out in both Houses
                                          would be interesting, as
                                          they'll need either Labor or
                                          one of the independents in the
                                          Lower House). Or the Bill gets
                                          substantially modified or sent
                                          back to the Dep't Home Affairs
                                          to start over.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>What's of deep concern is
                                          that the Minister represents
                                          to the House consultation has
                                          been extensive, and that
                                          modifications of the Bill
                                          represent a consensus view.
                                          Yet industry has been vocal in
                                          opposition to the Bill, and
                                          have criticised the level of
                                          consultation and the
                                          Government's preparedness to
                                          receive advice:</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="margin-left:40px">While
                                          DIGI appreciates the
                                          challenges facing law
                                          enforcement, we continue to
                                          have concerns with the Bill,
                                          which, contrary to its stated
                                          objective, we believe may
                                          undermine public safety by
                                          making it easier for bad
                                          actors to commit crimes
                                          against individuals,
                                          organisations or communities.
                                          We also remain concerned at
                                          the lack of independent
                                          oversight of Notices and the
                                          absence of checks and balances
                                          with this legislation, which
                                          we discuss in more detail in
                                          this submission.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="margin-left:80px">Submission
                                          to PJCIS - DIGI (includes
                                          Google, Amazon,
                                          Facebook...)(78)<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="margin-left:40px">We
                                          urge the government to
                                          seriously consider the
                                          comments submitted by industry
                                          and civil society and consider
                                          changes that would protect the
                                          security and privacy of
                                          Apple’s users and all
                                          Australians.</div>
                                        <div style="margin-left:240px">Submission
                                          to PJCIS - Apple (53)</div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                        <div style="margin-left:40px">Given
                                          the complexity of the Bill,
                                          the sensitivity of the subject
                                          matter, and the  limited
                                          consultation period, the
                                          summary above is not an
                                          exhaustive list of BSA's
                                          concerns and recommendations
                                          in respect of the Bill. There
                                          are other aspects of the Bill
                                          that require further
                                          consideration in order to find
                                          the right balance between the
                                          legitimate rights, needs, and
                                          responsibilities of the
                                          Australian Government,
                                          citizens, providers of
                                          critical infrastructure, third
                                          party stewards of data, and
                                          innovators.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <br>
                                        <div style="margin-left:40px">As
                                          such, we respectfully
                                          encourage the Australian
                                          Government to engage in
                                          further dialogue with industry
                                          to consider the broader issues
                                          at play and the implications
                                          (and possible unintended
                                          consequences of the Bill).</div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div style="margin-left:160px">Submission
                                        to PJCIS - BSA (Cisco, IBM et
                                        al.)(48)<br>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                  <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at
                                    16:48, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                      <div dir="ltr">I'm determined the
                                        Minister for Home Affairs
                                        doesn't get to drop a deeply
                                        flawed Bill on a supine and
                                        compliant Parliament, and have
                                        taken measures, to whit, written
                                        22 MPs in positions where they
                                        can influence policy, and
                                        provided links to submissions
                                        which point out the Bill as
                                        proposed is neither
                                        proportionate nor necessary:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Law Council of Australia: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321</a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        Joint Councils for Civil
                                        Liberties: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=6a26c1ce-15f3-4229-9b45-dd4ad7cfb8f2&subId=661197" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=6a26c1ce-15f3-4229-9b45-dd4ad7cfb8f2&subId=661197</a></div>
                                      <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                        Australian Human Rights
                                        Commission: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a7b9ff25-7c09-41e9-b97a-56dae1ac0e94&subId=661055" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a7b9ff25-7c09-41e9-b97a-56dae1ac0e94&subId=661055</a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        PJCHR,starts @ p24: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/%7E/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en</a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Kind regards<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Paul Wilkins<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                                      <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct 2018
                                        at 16:20, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                            <div><strong>New PJCIS
                                                Public Hearings</strong></div>
                                            <div><strong><br>
                                              </strong></div>
                                            <div><strong>16 Nov 2018:</strong>
                                              Sydney, NSW</div>
                                            <strong>30 Nov 2018:</strong>
                                            Canberra, ACT</div>
                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018</a><br>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <br>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                                          <div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct
                                            2018 at 13:23, Paul Wilkins
                                            <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                            <div dir="ltr">
                                              <div dir="ltr">Has anyone
                                                yet had the opportunity
                                                to think through the use
                                                of force provisions?
                                                Does use of force extend
                                                beyond physical forced
                                                entry, to say, hacking?</div>
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                                                      <div>Kind regards</div>
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                                                          <div>Paul
                                                          Wilkins</div>
                                                        </span></span></div>
                                                  </span></div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              <div dir="ltr">On Wed, 24
                                                Oct 2018 at 18:03, Paul
                                                Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                <div dir="ltr">
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                                                    <div dir="ltr">
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                                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Compare:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div style="margin-left:40px">CHAIR:
                                                          So the big
                                                          companies like
                                                          Facebook,
                                                          Amazon,
                                                          Twitter,
                                                          over-the-top 
                                                          messaging
                                                          services like
                                                          Signal and
                                                          WhatsApp?<br>
                                                          Mr Hansford: A
                                                          range of
                                                          different
                                                          industry
                                                          companies.<br>
                                                          CHAIR: <b>A
                                                          good
                                                          percentage of
                                                          those?</b><br>
                                                          Mr Hansford: <b>A
                                                          reasonable
                                                          percentage,
                                                          I'd say.</b></div>
                                                          <div style="margin-left:200px">(Public)
                                                          FRIDAY, 19
                                                          OCTOBER 2018</div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div dir="ltr">"The
                                                          government has
                                                          consulted <b>extensively</b>
                                                          with industry
                                                          and the public
                                                          on these
                                                          measuresand
                                                          has made
                                                          amendments to
                                                          reflect the
                                                          feedback in
                                                          the
                                                          legislation
                                                          now before the
                                                          parliament."<br>
                                                          <div style="margin-left:80px">Minister
                                                          for Home
                                                          Affairs -
                                                          Speech to
                                                          Parliament 20
                                                          Sept 2018<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                  <div dir="ltr">On Wed,
                                                    24 Oct 2018 at
                                                    16:01, Paul Wilkins
                                                    <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">DIGI's
                                                          submission
                                                          (Amazon,
                                                          Facebook,
                                                          Google, Oath,
                                                          and Twitter)
                                                          has just
                                                          appeared:</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=d48c3c35-221d-4544-a7d7-109a82c72dc1&subId=661549" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=d48c3c35-221d-4544-a7d7-109a82c72dc1&subId=661549</a><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div style="margin-left:40px">On
                                                          August 14,
                                                          2018, the
                                                          Government
                                                          released for
                                                          Public
                                                          Exposure a
                                                          draft of the
                                                          Telecommunications
                                                          and Other
                                                          Legislation
                                                          Amendment
                                                          (Assistance
                                                          and Access)
                                                          Bill 2018 (the
                                                          “Bill”)
                                                          together with
                                                          an Exposure
                                                          Document, to
                                                          which DIGI
                                                          made a
                                                          submission
                                                          (attached). A
                                                          revised Bill
                                                          was introduced
                                                          to Parliament
                                                          ten days
                                                          following the
                                                          close of
                                                          submissions,
                                                          with only
                                                          minor
                                                          amendments
                                                          that fail to
                                                          address its
                                                          potential
                                                          impacts on
                                                          public safety,
                                                          cybersecurity,
                                                          privacy and
                                                          human rights,
                                                          raising
                                                          concern among
                                                          industry,
                                                          consumer and
                                                          civil society
                                                          groups.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                      <div dir="ltr">On
                                                        Wed, 24 Oct 2018
                                                        at 11:30, Paul
                                                        Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>The PJCHR
                                                          express
                                                          extensive
                                                          concerns with
                                                          the bill. <br>
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                                                          <div><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/%7E/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en</a></div>
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                                                          <div>The
                                                          following
                                                          demonstrates a
                                                          posture where
                                                          they will
                                                          likely oppose
                                                          the bill
                                                          without
                                                          further
                                                          safeguards:</div>
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                                                          <div style="margin-left:40px">1.109
                                                          Another
                                                          relevant
                                                          factor in
                                                          assessing
                                                          whether a
                                                          measure is
                                                          proportionate
                                                          is whether
                                                          there is the
                                                          possibility of
                                                          oversight and
                                                          the
                                                          availability
                                                          of review. The
                                                          power to give
                                                          a technical
                                                          assistance
                                                          notice or
                                                          request, or
                                                          technical 
                                                          capability
                                                          notice, is not
                                                          exercised by a
                                                          judge, nor
                                                          does a judge
                                                          supervise its
                                                          application. 
                                                          Section 317ZFA
                                                          provides a
                                                          discretionary
                                                          power to a
                                                          court, in
                                                          relation to
                                                          proceedings 
                                                          before it, to
                                                          make such
                                                          orders as the
                                                          court
                                                          considers
                                                          appropriate in
                                                          relation to
                                                          the
                                                          disclosure,
                                                          protection,
                                                          storage,
                                                          handling or
                                                          destruction of
                                                          technical
                                                          assistance
                                                          information,
                                                          if the court
                                                          is satisfied
                                                          that it is in
                                                          the public
                                                          interest. The
                                                          bill does  not
                                                          otherwise
                                                          provide for
                                                          court
                                                          involvement in
                                                          the process of
                                                          giving a
                                                          technical
                                                          assistance
                                                          notice or
                                                          request, or
                                                          technical
                                                          capability
                                                          notice. The
                                                          bill
                                                          additionally 
                                                          seeks to amend
                                                          the
                                                          Administrative
                                                          Decisions
                                                          (Judicial
                                                          Review) Act
                                                          1977 (ADJR
                                                          Act) to
                                                          exclude
                                                          decisions
                                                          under Part 15
                                                          of the
                                                          Telecommunications
                                                          Act (which
                                                          would  include
                                                          a decision to
                                                          issue a
                                                          technical
                                                          assistance
                                                          notice or
                                                          request, or
                                                          technical 
                                                          capability
                                                          notice) from
                                                          judicial
                                                          review under
                                                          the ADJR Act.
                                                          47 In these
                                                          circumstances,
                                                          further
                                                          information
                                                          from the
                                                          minister as
                                                          the adequacy
                                                          of the
                                                          safeguards in
                                                          terms of
                                                          oversight and
                                                          review would
                                                          assist in
                                                          determining
                                                          the
                                                          proportionality
                                                          of the
                                                          measures.</div>
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                                                          <div>Kind
                                                          regards</div>
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                                                          <div>Paul
                                                          Wilkins</div>
                                                          </span></span></div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">On
                                                          Tue, 23 Oct
                                                          2018 at 15:12,
                                                          Paul Wilkins
                                                          <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">21
                                                          October AEC
                                                          had received
                                                          6890 postal
                                                          votes out of
                                                          12,788 issued.
                                                          Today,
                                                          received
                                                          postal votes
                                                          is 7,789.
                                                          Sharma is
                                                          trailing by
                                                          1,552. So I'm
                                                          calling it a
                                                          Phelps' win
                                                          and we will
                                                          have minority
                                                          government.</div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Phelps
                                                          will win by at
                                                          least 500
                                                          votes so no
                                                          recount.<br>
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                                                          <div>Kind
                                                          regards</div>
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                                                          <div>Paul
                                                          Wilkins</div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">On
                                                          Mon, 22 Oct
                                                          2018 at 18:19,
                                                          Paul Wilkins
                                                          <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          of public
                                                          hearing 19th
                                                          October:</div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">On
                                                          Mon, 22 Oct
                                                          2018 at 16:46,
                                                          Christian
                                                          Heinrich <<a href="mailto:christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au" target="_blank">christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          Paul,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Mon, Oct
                                                          22, 2018 at
                                                          2:12 PM Paul
                                                          Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          > Except
                                                          that where
                                                          subject to an
                                                          order under
                                                          317j to
                                                          conceal the
                                                          existence of a
                                                          TCN/TAN forms
                                                          part of the
                                                          terms.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          For PCI-DSS
                                                          Requirement 4
                                                          Telstra [as an
                                                          example I
                                                          don't
                                                          recommend]<br>
                                                          have mandated
                                                          that their
                                                          customer is
                                                          responsible
                                                          for both the<br>
                                                          infrastructure
                                                          and software
                                                          [as a service]
                                                          within<br>
                                                          <a href="https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/personal/consumer-advice/pdf/business-a-full/cloud-h.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/personal/consumer-advice/pdf/business-a-full/cloud-h.pdf</a><br>
                                                          and are
                                                          therefore
                                                          unable to
                                                          assist with
                                                          the
                                                          implementation
                                                          of the<br>
                                                          TCN/TAN.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Regards,<br>
                                                          Christian
                                                          Heinrich<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="http://cmlh.id.au/contact" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cmlh.id.au/contact</a><br>
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