<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Paul, <br></div><div>I'm concerned that under s313(3)c and
s280(1)(b) Telecommunications Act 1997, TCNs/TANs can be issued to to create automated warrantless metadata access, and we've seen little discussion around this, mostly the focus has been on computer/data warrants.</div><div><br></div><div>There also used to be provision for voluntary disclosure by carriers to LEAs, which either I can't find or has been amended.<br></div><div><p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font size="2">Kind regards</font></span></p><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU"><div id="gmail-:21r" class="gmail-ajR" tabindex="0"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><img class="gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></span></div></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-HOEnZb gmail-adL"><p><font size="2">Paul Wilkins</font></p></span></span></div><div>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 11:58, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/648206/cisco-raises-grave-concerns-over-assistance-access-bill/" target="_blank">https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/648206/cisco-raises-grave-concerns-over-assistance-access-bill/</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">In a submission to parliament, the networking giant expressed "serious
reservations" regarding provisions within the Bill that "threaten to
undercut sustained efforts by Cisco and others to develop, deploy and
maintain technologies that are secure, trustworthy, transparent and
accountable".
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 11:28, Paul Brooks <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au" target="_blank">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<div class="m_4309503317663661769m_-4861692866264567500moz-cite-prefix">The meetings (now 4 in total) have been
listed on the Committee website for several weeks.<br>
We (IA) were notified of our invitation to appear and speak two
weeks ago while they were putting together the detailed runsheet.<br>
<br>
FWIW tomorrow I'll be appearing for Internet Australia at 2:30pm,
and we've brought in Martin Thomson from the IAB to speak to the
IAB submission in the same session (the program says Mark
Nottingham, but Mark couldn't make it.)<br>
<br>
The morning session kicks off at 9am with Prof Danny Weitzner from
MIT in Boston on audio conference, followed by Stanford Law. Both
made excellent submissions, and should be entertaining listening.<br>
<br>
I plan to be there in the room for the day, if anyone in Sydney
turning up in person wants to say g'day.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
Paul.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 15/11/2018 10:41 AM, Nathan Brookfield wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
Could they possibly give less notice.... Unbelievable!<br>
<br>
<div id="m_4309503317663661769m_-4861692866264567500AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Nathan Brookfield
<div>Chief Executive Officer</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd</div>
<div><a href="http://www.simtronic.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.simtronic.com.au</a></div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
On 15 Nov 2018, at 10:40, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="margin-left:40px">Media Release: Issue date: 14
November 2018</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><b>Second public hearing on
the Encryption Bill</b></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
The second public hearing on the Telecommunication and
Other Legislation Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill
2018 will be held on
<b>Friday, 16 November 2018</b> in Sydney. The Committee
will hear from academics, statutory oversight agencies,
and industry peak bodies.<br>
Details of the public hearing:<br>
<b>9:00 am – 3.15pm<br>
SMC Conference & Function Centre, 66 Goulburn St,
Sydney (Carrington Room)</b></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
The hearing will be live streamed (audio only) at <a href="http://www.aph.gov.au/live" target="_blank">
www.aph.gov.au/live</a>.</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px">The full program of the
hearing is available at <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Public_Hearings</a></div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
Additional hearings will be held in <b>Canberra on 27 and
30 November</b>.<br>
Further information on the inquiry can be obtained from
the Committee’s website.<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 11:36, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=789049aa-edfc-48e2-a79c-0dd1c28f95b8&subId=662644" target="_blank">Communications
Alliance submission</a><strong>
</strong>makes the<strong> </strong>point both
s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications
Act 1997 are current extensively used to access
metadata.
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It follows that under the new bill, about a
dozen LEAs will similarly be able to rely on
s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata
access.
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Paul Wilkins <br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins
<<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><span></span>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Coexistence
with Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications
Act)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Passage
of this Bill will set the stage for mass
surveillance, where carriers are already subject to
data retention, but the Minister may further declare
any service provider subject to the metadata regime.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">187A
Service providers must keep certain information and
documents</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">(3A) The
Minister may, by legislative instrument, declare a
service to be a service to which this Part applies.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Such
declaration has a statutory limitation of 40 sitting
days of Parliament, however nothing in the Act
prevents such a declaration being rolled over by the
Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in
perpetuity for any service they should designate.
All this would lie within the provisioned scope of
the Minister's powers without any further
legislation.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Access
to such metadata does not necessarily require a
warrant. Access under the Telecommunications Act can
be rendered by the service provider as voluntary
assistance.
</p>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul
Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Rob,</div>
<div>Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards
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m_2208304165986503702m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-adL">Paul
Wilkins</span></span></font></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert
Hudson <<a href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hudrob@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Odd. I signed up to track the
enquiry, but have had no notifications at all
that additional hearings had been scheduled.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There's an another additional day
according to the committee website - 27th
November.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Where did you see if information that
they're asking for supplementary
submissions?</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28,
Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr"><b>UN's Special
Rapporteur on the right to privacy</b>
has weighed in on the PJCIS review
with incandescent criticism:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb&subId=661745" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb&subId=661745</a><br>
<br>
<div style="margin-left:40px">In my
considered view, the Assistance and
Access Bill is an example of a
poorly conceived national security
measure that is equally as likely to
endanger security as not; it is
technologically questionnable if it
can achieve its aims and avoid
introducing vulnerabilities to the
cybersecurity of all devices
irrespective of whether they are
mobiles, tablets, watches, cars,
etc., and it unduly undermines human
rights including the right to
privacy. It is out of step with
international rulings raising the
related issue of how the Australian
Government would enforce this law on
transnational technology companies.<br>
</div>
<br>
I can't but think that if the Minister
for Home Affairs to be doing well to
attract the ire of the United Nations
and his timing couldn't be better,
just as the Government has lost
control of the House. I'm hopeful the
Australian media will pick up on the
interest of the UN in the Bill,
fingers crossed.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Furthermore, the PJCIS,
after announcing two additional
hearings 16/30 Nov, are also asking
for
<b>supplementary submissions, to be
received no later than 26 November.</b><br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
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<div>Kind regards</div>
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<div>Paul Wilkins</div>
</span></span></div>
</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at
13:07, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>We're at a critical
juncture where the Minister
for Home Affairs may get his
way and steam roll this Bill
through Parliament (how this
could play out in both Houses
would be interesting, as
they'll need either Labor or
one of the independents in the
Lower House). Or the Bill gets
substantially modified or sent
back to the Dep't Home Affairs
to start over.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What's of deep concern is
that the Minister represents
to the House consultation has
been extensive, and that
modifications of the Bill
represent a consensus view.
Yet industry has been vocal in
opposition to the Bill, and
have criticised the level of
consultation and the
Government's preparedness to
receive advice:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px">While
DIGI appreciates the
challenges facing law
enforcement, we continue to
have concerns with the Bill,
which, contrary to its stated
objective, we believe may
undermine public safety by
making it easier for bad
actors to commit crimes
against individuals,
organisations or communities.
We also remain concerned at
the lack of independent
oversight of Notices and the
absence of checks and balances
with this legislation, which
we discuss in more detail in
this submission.<br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:80px">Submission
to PJCIS - DIGI (includes
Google, Amazon,
Facebook...)(78)<br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px">We
urge the government to
seriously consider the
comments submitted by industry
and civil society and consider
changes that would protect the
security and privacy of
Apple’s users and all
Australians.</div>
<div style="margin-left:240px">Submission
to PJCIS - Apple (53)</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="margin-left:40px">Given
the complexity of the Bill,
the sensitivity of the subject
matter, and the limited
consultation period, the
summary above is not an
exhaustive list of BSA's
concerns and recommendations
in respect of the Bill. There
are other aspects of the Bill
that require further
consideration in order to find
the right balance between the
legitimate rights, needs, and
responsibilities of the
Australian Government,
citizens, providers of
critical infrastructure, third
party stewards of data, and
innovators.<br>
</div>
<br>
<div style="margin-left:40px">As
such, we respectfully
encourage the Australian
Government to engage in
further dialogue with industry
to consider the broader issues
at play and the implications
(and possible unintended
consequences of the Bill).</div>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:160px">Submission
to PJCIS - BSA (Cisco, IBM et
al.)(48)<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at
16:48, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">I'm determined the
Minister for Home Affairs
doesn't get to drop a deeply
flawed Bill on a supine and
compliant Parliament, and have
taken measures, to whit, written
22 MPs in positions where they
can influence policy, and
provided links to submissions
which point out the Bill as
proposed is neither
proportionate nor necessary:<br>
<br>
Law Council of Australia: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321</a><br>
<br>
Joint Councils for Civil
Liberties: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=6a26c1ce-15f3-4229-9b45-dd4ad7cfb8f2&subId=661197" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=6a26c1ce-15f3-4229-9b45-dd4ad7cfb8f2&subId=661197</a></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
Australian Human Rights
Commission: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a7b9ff25-7c09-41e9-b97a-56dae1ac0e94&subId=661055" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a7b9ff25-7c09-41e9-b97a-56dae1ac0e94&subId=661055</a><br>
<br>
PJCHR,starts @ p24: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/%7E/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en" target="_blank">
https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Kind regards<br>
<br>
Paul Wilkins<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct 2018
at 16:20, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><strong>New PJCIS
Public Hearings</strong></div>
<div><strong><br>
</strong></div>
<div><strong>16 Nov 2018:</strong>
Sydney, NSW</div>
<strong>30 Nov 2018:</strong>
Canberra, ACT</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018</a><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct
2018 at 13:23, Paul Wilkins
<<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Has anyone
yet had the opportunity
to think through the use
of force provisions?
Does use of force extend
beyond physical forced
entry, to say, hacking?</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
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<div>Kind regards</div>
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<div>Paul
Wilkins</div>
</span></span></div>
</span></div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 24
Oct 2018 at 18:03, Paul
Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Compare:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px">CHAIR:
So the big
companies like
Facebook,
Amazon,
Twitter,
over-the-top
messaging
services like
Signal and
WhatsApp?<br>
Mr Hansford: A
range of
different
industry
companies.<br>
CHAIR: <b>A
good
percentage of
those?</b><br>
Mr Hansford: <b>A
reasonable
percentage,
I'd say.</b></div>
<div style="margin-left:200px">(Public)
FRIDAY, 19
OCTOBER 2018</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">"The
government has
consulted <b>extensively</b>
with industry
and the public
on these
measuresand
has made
amendments to
reflect the
feedback in
the
legislation
now before the
parliament."<br>
<div style="margin-left:80px">Minister
for Home
Affairs -
Speech to
Parliament 20
Sept 2018<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On Wed,
24 Oct 2018 at
16:01, Paul Wilkins
<<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">DIGI's
submission
(Amazon,
Facebook,
Google, Oath,
and Twitter)
has just
appeared:</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=d48c3c35-221d-4544-a7d7-109a82c72dc1&subId=661549" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=d48c3c35-221d-4544-a7d7-109a82c72dc1&subId=661549</a><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px">On
August 14,
2018, the
Government
released for
Public
Exposure a
draft of the
Telecommunications
and Other
Legislation
Amendment
(Assistance
and Access)
Bill 2018 (the
“Bill”)
together with
an Exposure
Document, to
which DIGI
made a
submission
(attached). A
revised Bill
was introduced
to Parliament
ten days
following the
close of
submissions,
with only
minor
amendments
that fail to
address its
potential
impacts on
public safety,
cybersecurity,
privacy and
human rights,
raising
concern among
industry,
consumer and
civil society
groups.<br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On
Wed, 24 Oct 2018
at 11:30, Paul
Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>The PJCHR
express
extensive
concerns with
the bill. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/%7E/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The
following
demonstrates a
posture where
they will
likely oppose
the bill
without
further
safeguards:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:40px">1.109
Another
relevant
factor in
assessing
whether a
measure is
proportionate
is whether
there is the
possibility of
oversight and
the
availability
of review. The
power to give
a technical
assistance
notice or
request, or
technical
capability
notice, is not
exercised by a
judge, nor
does a judge
supervise its
application.
Section 317ZFA
provides a
discretionary
power to a
court, in
relation to
proceedings
before it, to
make such
orders as the
court
considers
appropriate in
relation to
the
disclosure,
protection,
storage,
handling or
destruction of
technical
assistance
information,
if the court
is satisfied
that it is in
the public
interest. The
bill does not
otherwise
provide for
court
involvement in
the process of
giving a
technical
assistance
notice or
request, or
technical
capability
notice. The
bill
additionally
seeks to amend
the
Administrative
Decisions
(Judicial
Review) Act
1977 (ADJR
Act) to
exclude
decisions
under Part 15
of the
Telecommunications
Act (which
would include
a decision to
issue a
technical
assistance
notice or
request, or
technical
capability
notice) from
judicial
review under
the ADJR Act.
47 In these
circumstances,
further
information
from the
minister as
the adequacy
of the
safeguards in
terms of
oversight and
review would
assist in
determining
the
proportionality
of the
measures.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>Kind
regards</div>
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<div>Paul
Wilkins</div>
</span></span></div>
</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On
Tue, 23 Oct
2018 at 15:12,
Paul Wilkins
<<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">21
October AEC
had received
6890 postal
votes out of
12,788 issued.
Today,
received
postal votes
is 7,789.
Sharma is
trailing by
1,552. So I'm
calling it a
Phelps' win
and we will
have minority
government.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Phelps
will win by at
least 500
votes so no
recount.<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Kind
regards</div>
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<div>Paul
Wilkins</div>
</span></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On
Mon, 22 Oct
2018 at 18:19,
Paul Wilkins
<<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Transcript
of public
hearing 19th
October:</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr"><a href="https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22committees%2Fcommjnt%2F2a1771c8-f314-43f2-b9b0-cd09ad8123ae%2F0000%22" target="_blank">https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22committees%2Fcommjnt%2F2a1771c8-f314-43f2-b9b0-cd09ad8123ae%2F0000%22</a><br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr">On
Mon, 22 Oct
2018 at 16:46,
Christian
Heinrich <<a href="mailto:christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au" target="_blank">christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Paul,<br>
<br>
On Mon, Oct
22, 2018 at
2:12 PM Paul
Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Except
that where
subject to an
order under
317j to
conceal the
existence of a
TCN/TAN forms
part of the
terms.<br>
<br>
For PCI-DSS
Requirement 4
Telstra [as an
example I
don't
recommend]<br>
have mandated
that their
customer is
responsible
for both the<br>
infrastructure
and software
[as a service]
within<br>
<a href="https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/personal/consumer-advice/pdf/business-a-full/cloud-h.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/personal/consumer-advice/pdf/business-a-full/cloud-h.pdf</a><br>
and are
therefore
unable to
assist with
the
implementation
of the<br>
TCN/TAN.<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Regards,<br>
Christian
Heinrich<br>
<br>
<a href="http://cmlh.id.au/contact" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cmlh.id.au/contact</a><br>
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