<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=789049aa-edfc-48e2-a79c-0dd1c28f95b8&subId=662644">Communications Alliance submission</a><strong> </strong>makes the<strong> </strong>point both s313 and s280 (1)(b) of the Telecommunications Act 1997 are current extensively used to access metadata. <br></div><div><br></div><div>It follows that under the new bill, about a dozen LEAs will similarly be able to rely on s313 and s280(1)(b) to get warrantless metadata access. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards <br></div><div><br></div><div>Paul Wilkins <br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:09, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<span></span>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Coexistence with
Data Retention Regime (Under Telecommunications Act)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Passage of this Bill
will set the stage for mass surveillance, where carriers are already
subject to data retention, but the Minister may further declare any
service provider subject to the metadata regime.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">187A Service
providers must keep certain information and documents</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">(3A) The Minister
may, by legislative instrument, declare a service to be a service to which
this Part applies.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Such declaration has
a statutory limitation of 40 sitting days of Parliament, however
nothing in the Act prevents such a declaration being rolled over by
the Minister, maintaining a metadata regime in perpetuity for any
service they should designate. All this would lie within the provisioned
scope of the Minister's powers without any further legislation.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0cm;line-height:100%">Access to such
metadata does not necessarily require a warrant. Access under the Telecommunications Act can be rendered by the service provider as
voluntary assistance.
</p>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 11:50, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Rob,</div><div>Check your inbox/spam folder 29/10.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards<div class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-yj6qo m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-ajU"><div id="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-:1cd" class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-ajR"><img class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-ajT m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-CToWUd" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></div></div><div class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-yj6qo m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-ajU"><div id="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-:198" class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-ajR"><img class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></div></div><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-HOEnZb m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-adL"><font color="#888888"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-HOEnZb m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448gmail-m_-2162079702158340117gmail-adL">Paul Wilkins</span></span></font></span></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:33, Robert Hudson <<a href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hudrob@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Odd. I signed up to track the enquiry, but have had no notifications at all that additional hearings had been scheduled.<div><br></div><div>There's an another additional day according to the committee website - 27th November.</div><div><br></div><div>Where did you see if information that they're asking for supplementary submissions?</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 12:28, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><b>UN's Special Rapporteur on the right to privacy</b> has weighed in on the PJCIS review with incandescent criticism:<br><br><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb&subId=661745" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8012483f-e421-41a7-8bd4-1e8eb5eb39eb&subId=661745</a><br><br><div style="margin-left:40px">In my considered view, the Assistance and Access Bill is an example of a poorly conceived national security measure that is equally as likely to endanger security as not; it is technologically questionnable if it can achieve its aims and avoid introducing vulnerabilities to the cybersecurity of all devices irrespective of whether they are mobiles, tablets, watches, cars, etc., and it unduly undermines human rights including the right to privacy. It is out of step with international rulings raising the related issue of how the Australian Government would enforce this law on transnational technology companies.<br></div><br>I can't but think that if the Minister for Home Affairs to be doing well to attract the ire of the United Nations and his timing couldn't be better, just as the Government has lost control of the House. I'm hopeful the Australian media will pick up on the interest of the UN in the Bill, fingers crossed.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Furthermore, the PJCIS, after announcing two additional hearings 16/30 Nov, are also asking for <b>supplementary submissions, to be received no later than 26 November.</b><br><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-im"><div dir="ltr"><div>Kind regards</div><div class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-yj6qo m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajU"><div id="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-:1tt" class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajR"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><img class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajT m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-CToWUd m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-CToWUd m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-CToWUd" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></span></div></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-HOEnZb m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306gmail-m_787379743134992177m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-adL"><div>Paul Wilkins</div></span></span></div></span></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 13:07, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>We're at a critical juncture where the Minister for Home Affairs may get his way and steam roll this Bill through Parliament (how this could play out in both Houses would be interesting, as they'll need either Labor or one of the independents in the Lower House). Or the Bill gets substantially modified or sent back to the Dep't Home Affairs to start over.<br></div><div><br></div><div>What's of deep concern is that the Minister represents to the House consultation has been extensive, and that modifications of the Bill represent a consensus view. Yet industry has been vocal in opposition to the Bill, and have criticised the level of consultation and the Government's preparedness to receive advice:</div><div><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">While DIGI appreciates the challenges facing law enforcement, we continue to have concerns with the Bill, which, contrary to its stated objective, we believe may undermine public safety by making it easier for bad actors to commit crimes against individuals, organisations or communities. We also remain concerned at the lack of independent oversight of Notices and the absence of checks and balances with this legislation, which we discuss in more detail in this submission.<br></div><div style="margin-left:80px">Submission to PJCIS - DIGI (includes Google, Amazon, Facebook...)(78)<br></div><div style="margin-left:40px"><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px"><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">We urge the government to seriously consider the comments submitted by industry and civil society and consider changes that would protect the security and privacy of Apple’s users and all Australians.</div><div style="margin-left:240px">Submission to PJCIS - Apple (53)</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin-left:40px">Given the complexity of the Bill, the sensitivity of the subject matter, and the limited consultation period, the summary above is not an exhaustive list of BSA's concerns and recommendations in respect of the Bill. There are other aspects of the Bill that require further consideration in order to find the right balance between the legitimate rights, needs, and responsibilities of the Australian Government, citizens, providers of critical infrastructure, third party stewards of data, and innovators.<br></div><br><div style="margin-left:40px">As such, we respectfully encourage the Australian Government to engage in further dialogue with industry to consider the broader issues at play and the implications (and possible unintended consequences of the Bill).</div></div><div style="margin-left:160px">Submission to PJCIS - BSA (Cisco, IBM et al.)(48)<br> </div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 16:48, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm determined the Minister for Home Affairs doesn't get to drop a deeply flawed Bill on a supine and compliant Parliament, and have taken measures, to whit, written 22 MPs in positions where they can influence policy, and provided links to submissions which point out the Bill as proposed is neither proportionate nor necessary:<br><br>Law Council of Australia: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321</a><br><br>Joint Councils for Civil Liberties: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=6a26c1ce-15f3-4229-9b45-dd4ad7cfb8f2&subId=661197" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=6a26c1ce-15f3-4229-9b45-dd4ad7cfb8f2&subId=661197</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br>Australian Human Rights Commission: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a7b9ff25-7c09-41e9-b97a-56dae1ac0e94&subId=661055" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=a7b9ff25-7c09-41e9-b97a-56dae1ac0e94&subId=661055</a><br><br>PJCHR,starts @ p24: <a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en</a><br><br><br>Kind regards<br><br>Paul Wilkins<br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 16:20, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><strong>New PJCIS Public Hearings</strong></div><div><strong><br></strong></div><div><strong>16 Nov 2018:</strong> Sydney, NSW</div><strong>30 Nov 2018:</strong> Canberra, ACT</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018</a><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 at 13:23, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Has anyone yet had the opportunity to think through the use of force provisions? Does use of force extend beyond physical forced entry, to say, hacking?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-im"><div dir="ltr"><div>Kind regards</div><div class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-yj6qo m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajU"><div id="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-:1tt" class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajR"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><img class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajT m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-CToWUd m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-CToWUd" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></span></div></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-HOEnZb m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233gmail-m_4137209188274070693m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-adL"><div>Paul Wilkins</div></span></span></div></span></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 18:03, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Compare:</div><div><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">CHAIR: So the big companies like Facebook, Amazon, Twitter, over-the-top messaging services like Signal and WhatsApp?<br>Mr Hansford: A range of different industry companies.<br>CHAIR: <b>A good percentage of those?</b><br>Mr Hansford: <b>A reasonable percentage, I'd say.</b></div><div style="margin-left:200px">(Public) FRIDAY, 19 OCTOBER 2018</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"The government has consulted <b>extensively</b> with industry and the public on these measuresand has made amendments to reflect the feedback in the legislation now before the parliament."<br><div style="margin-left:80px">Minister for Home Affairs - Speech to Parliament 20 Sept 2018<br></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 16:01, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">DIGI's submission (Amazon, Facebook, Google, Oath, and Twitter) has just appeared:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=d48c3c35-221d-4544-a7d7-109a82c72dc1&subId=661549" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=d48c3c35-221d-4544-a7d7-109a82c72dc1&subId=661549</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">On August 14, 2018, the Government released for Public Exposure a draft of the Telecommunications and Other Legislation Amendment (Assistance and Access) Bill 2018 (the “Bill”) together with an Exposure Document, to which DIGI made a submission (attached). A revised Bill was introduced to Parliament ten days following the close of submissions, with only minor amendments that fail to address its potential impacts on public safety, cybersecurity, privacy and human rights, raising concern among industry, consumer and civil society groups.<br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 11:30, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>The PJCHR express extensive concerns with the bill. <br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en" target="_blank">https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/humanrights_ctte/reports/2018/Report%2011/c01.pdf?la=en</a></div><div><br></div><div>The following demonstrates a posture where they will likely oppose the bill without further safeguards:</div><div><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">1.109 Another relevant factor in assessing whether a measure is proportionate is whether there is the possibility of oversight and the availability of review. The power to give a technical assistance notice or request, or technical capability notice, is not exercised by a judge, nor does a judge supervise its application. Section 317ZFA provides a discretionary power to a court, in relation to proceedings before it, to make such orders as the court considers appropriate in relation to the disclosure, protection, storage, handling or destruction of technical assistance information, if the court is satisfied that it is in the public interest. The bill does not otherwise provide for court involvement in the process of giving a technical assistance notice or request, or technical capability notice. The bill additionally seeks to amend the Administrative Decisions (Judicial Review) Act 1977 (ADJR Act) to exclude decisions under Part 15 of the Telecommunications Act (which would include a decision to issue a technical assistance notice or request, or technical capability notice) from judicial review under the ADJR Act. 47 In these circumstances, further information from the minister as the adequacy of the safeguards in terms of oversight and review would assist in determining the proportionality of the measures.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-im"><div dir="ltr"><div>Kind regards</div><div class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-yj6qo m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajU"><div id="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-:1tt" class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajR"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><img class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajT m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-CToWUd" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></span></div></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-HOEnZb m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726gmail-m_-4266564650646501771gmail-adL"><div>Paul Wilkins</div></span></span></div></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 15:12, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">21 October AEC had received 6890 postal votes out of 12,788 issued. Today, received postal votes is 7,789. Sharma is trailing by 1,552. So I'm calling it a Phelps' win and we will have minority government.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Phelps will win by at least 500 votes so no recount.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Kind regards</div><div class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726m_-4266564650646501771gmail-yj6qo m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajU"><div id="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726m_-4266564650646501771gmail-:1tt" class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajR"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><img class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726m_-4266564650646501771gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></span></div></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726m_-4266564650646501771gmail-HOEnZb m_7238596606723896049m_1278299306464908448m_-4122831929822315372m_5972951514747034306m_-2370998406488950458m_-6346171236027552920m_-5667213387321794298m_5427197412788939233m_4484050607330983173m_1938148578013924275m_2509739700581386726m_-4266564650646501771gmail-adL"><div></div><div>Paul Wilkins</div></span></span></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 18:19, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Transcript of public hearing 19th October:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22committees%2Fcommjnt%2F2a1771c8-f314-43f2-b9b0-cd09ad8123ae%2F0000%22" target="_blank">https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22committees%2Fcommjnt%2F2a1771c8-f314-43f2-b9b0-cd09ad8123ae%2F0000%22</a><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 16:46, Christian Heinrich <<a href="mailto:christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au" target="_blank">christian.heinrich@cmlh.id.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Paul,<br>
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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 2:12 PM Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Except that where subject to an order under 317j to conceal the existence of a TCN/TAN forms part of the terms.<br>
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For PCI-DSS Requirement 4 Telstra [as an example I don't recommend]<br>
have mandated that their customer is responsible for both the<br>
infrastructure and software [as a service] within<br>
<a href="https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/personal/consumer-advice/pdf/business-a-full/cloud-h.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.telstra.com.au/content/dam/tcom/personal/consumer-advice/pdf/business-a-full/cloud-h.pdf</a><br>
and are therefore unable to assist with the implementation of the<br>
TCN/TAN.<br>
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-- <br>
Regards,<br>
Christian Heinrich<br>
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<a href="http://cmlh.id.au/contact" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cmlh.id.au/contact</a><br>
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