<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div>On Oct 9, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Shanti Korporaal <<a href="mailto:shanti@eintellegonetworks.com" class="">shanti@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font class="">What she should have done is told the event organiser then and there, and if super inappropriate, called them out for it then and there. I for one would have knocked them on their ass and shoved any phone with inappropriate pictures in a place they would regret.</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The point of having a policy and complaints process is that it isn’t currently obvious that telling the event organizer is the right thing to do; and that the event organizers aren’t equipped to deal with it even if someone does complain to them; and that knocking someone on their ass and posting inappropriate pictures is several stages of escalation beyond where things ought to be nipped in the bud.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Your comment above reads to me like a good justification for developing a Code fo Conduct which includes a complaint process, not a reason not to have one.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font class="">Guys, you are all amazing and titans of the industry, please don't be brought down by garbage like this.</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I don’t think we are. Are we?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font class=""> This incident is nothing new and any woman in this industry for more than 5 minutes will know to have her defences up, fight back and who to talk to about putting someone in their place - Bevan for one.</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>One of the male privileges I get is that I have never once needed to even <i class="">think</i> about having my defenses up, fighting back, and complaining to a man who can put a sexual harasser in their place.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The whole concept is patently ridiculous, it just isn’t a problem that men expect or need to worry about.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you’re saying that you know you need defenses up and be ready to fight, and find a man to help, <i class="">and that’s normal for you,</i> then that’s a better illustration of the problem than I’d ever be able to describe myself, and thank you for voicing it.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Nobody should have to attend an AusNOG event armed with the expectation of being sexually harassed or assaulted.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>For Bevan’s employee, that clearly wasn’t a realistic expectation. Off-list feedback I’ve received over the last week indicates to me that Bevan’s employee wasn’t alone. Your own words in the quoted passage above should serve as a red flag to every man reading this, including AusNOG organizers:</div><div><br class=""></div><div><font color="#ff2600" class=""><b class="">Why should a woman attending an AusNOG event “know to have her defences up, fight back and who to talk to about putting someone in their place?”</b></font></div><div><br class=""></div><div>Men never have to put up with that, it’s not even on our radar. For some women, it’s a normal part of their day, and it must be <i class="">exhausting.</i> This community can’t solve that problem across all of society, but we can sure as hell solve it for our little corner of it.</div><div><br class=""></div><div> - mark</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>