<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">There is also the difference between appropriate interaction and inappropriate interaction.<div class="">Appropriate interaction is okay and makes socialising fun but as soon as the line is crossed, it’s no longer “fun” anymore.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Tim<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 9 Oct 2018, at 9:29 am, Stephen Carter <<a href="mailto:Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com" class="">Stephen.Carter@workingtech.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Not sure where Skeeve said he found his wife through sexual harassment, very poor form.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="0" style="width: 397.5pt;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class="">Stephen Carter</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;" class=""></span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mark Newton<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 9 October 2018 9:23 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" class="">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>> <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Common Sense needs to prevail<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">So the message here is that we should go easy on sexual harassment at AusNOG events because you did alright out of it.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Loud and clear.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> - mark<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">--<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Tiny screen, imaginary keyboard.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><br class="">On 9 Oct 2018, at 08:31, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I hate to do this. I'm going to contradict my previous post about this not being the forum for such discussions.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">This post is not to start another thread war, so if you want to abuse or say something else to me, please do it off-list.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I've been catching up on the posts re Sexual Harassment in our industry. I didn't read all of them, there were just too many. So I don't know if this perspective was addressed.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Firstly, I will state categorically that Sexual Harassment is wrong. SEXUAL HARASSMENT is wrong. Flirting or saying hi to a cute girl (or guy) is not wrong.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I hate seeing people go politically correct mad and destroying perfectly good situations because of a few idiots who should be punished. That said, the incident should be looked into to make sure facts/accusations are accurate, as a misunderstanding or wrong accusation can easily destroy someone as badly as being actually sexually harassed. Bevan was right to make the announcement, and right to send the warning of what would occur next time. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">But we need to make sure our industry doesn't have all the fun and opportunity to meet new people squeezed out of it. I'd hate to see events where people are afraid to even say hi to someone they fancy (damn I'm old) due to incidents such as these.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I say this because I have a different experience than most people here in that I met my wife at an Ausnog event.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">It was an industry drinks (pre-conference I believe for Ausnog #2)... there was a cute girl named Shanti (white) and her friend Lynette (Sri Lankan) which I found highly amusing based on their names. We had lots of fun with that and there was much flirting to be had. I wasn't too naughty (based on the result), but I do recall my staff carrying me out of that event due to way too much alcohol.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">It turns out Shanti was the one managing the event on loan from Vocus. As a sponsor of Ausnog #2, I had some interactions with Shanti the following few days (my staff were previously doing it - but I was smitten), and during the actual conference spent most of the time outside doing more flirting with this amazingly cute girl who for some reason was giving me the time of day.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">I don't recall any of that event really except Vijay Gill being awesome and Geoff Huston doing his thing. Apart from that... no idea.. I was a little smitten. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">A few days later I headed to Christchurch for my first APNIC event (#26) on James Spenceleys recommendation and by some stroke of luck (for me), James brought along Shanti too. Well, that was that. It was my first APNIC, and James asked Shanti to 'keep me amused' [it was all his fault!!] as we were obviously getting on well. Well, that was the end of that.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">10 years later, and recently having our 7th Wedding anniversary, and being the happiest husband ever that I met and fell for one of the very few women at the AusNOG conference. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">So. Sexual Harassment is bad bad bad... and anyone who does anyone that is not welcome should be taken care of harshly. But, trying to meet people, is not a bad thing, and as long as people are respectful, people should continue to continue to have fun at these events and not be scared of meeting new people, for whatever reasons.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><br class="">...Skeeve<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & Chief Architect - </span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; <a href="skype://skeeve" class="">skype://skeeve</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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