<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">So I, too, am a lurker on this list. Hell, I don’t even run any networks besides my home one, haven’t done for ages.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That said I, too, have been watching this with interest and I’ve seen two responses, well one response, and one class of responses, that I find interesting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On the one hand, you’ve got stuff like James here. James is running the exact same set of arguments that you normally get from, generally, white dudes that feel threatened by any attempt to address the systemic problems we have in society in general and tech in particular. Yes, yes I know they don’t believe that those problems are there but, well, whatever. I saw similar from Noel Butler and from Matthew Young up-thread. All of these tend to come across as a knee-jerk reaction against the notion that we might actually do something.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On the other hand we had Mark Newton’s “What I can do to help.” post. Instead of a knee-jerk reaction against doing something, he put forward a completely reasonable set of steps that he promised to do if someone were to come forward. Hell, his set of steps form a pretty good basis for the enforcement process of a Code of Conduct.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One of these messages was positive and valuable. The others were very much not.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Benno.<br class=""><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 3 Oct 2018, at 12:57, James Troy <<a href="mailto:james.troy@agilityapplications.com" class="">james.troy@agilityapplications.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this thread with a particular keen interest.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender diversity’ was going to get pushed.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all selected on their merits.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely different can. Ie: is there someone of Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be racist?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, percentages, inclusion policies is _<i class="">not</i>_ the way to get the recognition that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not simply to be the token male.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the *<b class="">Alleged</b>* (I use this term deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.) aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only then actioned upon.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td colspan="5" valign="bottom" style="padding: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 13.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">James Troy<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 13.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(36, 60, 152);" class="">Senior Systems Administration</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td colspan="5" valign="top" style="padding: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></td></tr><tr style="height: 7.5pt;" class=""><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding: 0cm; height: 7.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 11.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></td><td width="40" nowrap="" style="width: 30pt; padding: 0cm; height: 7.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></td><td nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding: 0cm; height: 7.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 11.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></td><td width="40" nowrap="" style="width: 30pt; padding: 0cm; height: 7.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></td><td nowrap="" style="padding: 0cm; height: 7.5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; line-height: 11.25pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(36, 60, 152);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td colspan="5" valign="top" style="padding: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>dusty<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Matthew Young <<a href="mailto:matt@mattyoung.net.au" class="">matt@mattyoung.net.au</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> List <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" class="">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young <<a href="mailto:matt@mattyoung.net.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matt@mattyoung.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">“</span>While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the Ausnog board.” <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll show you a deluded patriarchal fool.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Paul Wilkins<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>List <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">"Seems you've never been to a meeting."<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kind regards<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div id="m_-3395295236500699019gmail-:xn" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><img border="0" id="m_-3395295236500699019_x005f_x0000_i1025" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""><br class=""></span><span class="m-3395295236500699019gmail-hoenzb"><span style="" class="">Paul Wilkins</span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">markzzzsmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin: 5pt 0cm 5pt 4.8pt;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">><br class="">> The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.<br class="">><br class="">> While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.<br class="">><br class=""><br class="">Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing session.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">> That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.<br class="">><br class="">> Kind regards<br class="">><br class="">> Paul Wilkins<br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes <<a href="mailto:david@hughes.com.au" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">david@hughes.com.au</a>> wrote:<br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our attention.<br class="">>><br class="">>> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very seriously. We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all parties. If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.<br class="">>><br class="">>> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and supported. We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable for AusNOG events and mailing lists.<br class="">>><br class="">>> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry. We will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader solution.<br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board<br class="">>> ...<br class="">>> _______________________________________________<br class="">>> AusNOG mailing list<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br class="">><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> AusNOG mailing list<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">AusNOG mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br class=""><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">AusNOG mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" class="">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" class="">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>