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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this thread with a particular keen interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender diversity’ was going to get pushed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all selected on their merits.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely different can. Ie: is there someone of Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be racist?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, percentages, inclusion policies is _<i>not</i>_ the way to get the recognition that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not simply to be the token male. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the *<b>Alleged</b>* (I use this term deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.) aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only then actioned upon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td colspan=5 valign=bottom style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>James Troy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#243C98'>Senior Systems Administration</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=5 valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:7.5pt'><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:11.25pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></td><td width=40 nowrap style='width:30.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:7.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:11.25pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></td><td width=40 nowrap style='width:30.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:7.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></td><td nowrap style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:7.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:11.25pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#243C98'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=5 valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>dusty<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Matthew Young <matt@mattyoung.net.au><br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net List <ausnog@ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young <<a href="mailto:matt@mattyoung.net.au">matt@mattyoung.net.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>“</span>While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the Ausnog board.” <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll show you a deluded patriarchal fool.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Wilkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a> List <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>"Seems you've never been to a meeting."<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></p><div><div id="m_-3395295236500699019gmail-:xn"><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><img border=0 id="m_-3395295236500699019_x005f_x0000_i1025" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'><br></span><span class=m-3395295236500699019gmail-hoenzb><span style='color:black'>Paul Wilkins</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">markzzzsmith@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.<br>><br>> While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.<br>><br><br>Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing session.<br><br><br><br>> That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.<br>><br>> Kind regards<br>><br>> Paul Wilkins<br>><br>><br>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes <<a href="mailto:david@hughes.com.au" target="_blank">david@hughes.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our attention.<br>>><br>>> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very seriously. We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all parties. If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.<br>>><br>>> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and supported. We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable for AusNOG events and mailing lists.<br>>><br>>> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry. We will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader solution.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board<br>>> ...<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> AusNOG mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AusNOG mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>