<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi guys,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I will preface my comment with:</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I haven't been to any IT events for a year or so, but I doubt things have changed that much in this amount of time.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Ok, that said...</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I used to go along to supplier lead launches where a lot of different vendors would come and display their shiney new toys. As a female it was an interesting place for me to go to. You attend, get nibbles, drinks etc. the vendors in an effort to get more attention would hire "promo girls". You know, those cute little girls that leave nothing to the imagination as to what they didn't eat for lunch in barely there short shorts and crop tops. At least the colours would match the vendors colours.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Then, try being a female at one of these things. While I was never harassed (would probably put someone on the floor if they had tried), I was ignored. The other person I was with (a male) and I would listen to what was being said, then when it was time to ask some questions, if I actually managed to get a word in, the person answering would more often than not look at the other person when they talked instead of the person who asked the question.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">How is this relevant? For harassment to end, equality must happen and that unfortunately is quite a way off.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">For the guys commenting on this thread, I applaude you. It seems that a respectable number of folks do not like what has happened. For some of you, it is even the case that you simply can't understand why people would do things like that in the first place for it to need a conversation. People who do the right thing often think most people think they way they do because to behave differently is just wrong. Thankfully by speaking up you are able to demonstrate to everyone how decent people think and behave and hopefully be an example for others to follow.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 1 Oct 2018, at 10:36 pm, Noel Butler <<a href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net">noel.butler@ausics.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
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<p>On 01/10/2018 13:26, Peter Tonoli wrote:</p>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">To keep on charter, perhaps we need to look at preventing these issues in future?<br><br> Looking at the AusNOG website, and the AusNOG 2018 conference sites - they appear, through my cursory look, to be devoid of a code of conduct, or similar. Perhaps, as a community, a good start would be implementing a Code of Conduct - an example I can think of is Linux Australia's, at <a href="https://linux.conf.au/attend/code-of-conduct/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://linux.conf.au/attend/code-of-conduct/</a> .<br><br><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Cheers,</span><br><span>Peter.</span></div>
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<p>This is a network operators list for discussion of network operations, not HR related material. This entire thread is outside the charter, and to continue after being told to stop shows complete and utter lack of respect for David and the others who run ausnog, or are we all going to be selective about what parts of the charter we think should be enforced.</p>
<p>I also think it was a fair call to STOP THREAD it, since serious criminal offence accusations have been made, and as ausnog have done in the past with posts that have legal potentials.</p>
<p>There should have been only one report made, and that should have been to the police so the mongrels responsible have their day in court and suffer the consequences of their actions. This list is not that place.</p>
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<p>Kind Regards,</p>
<p>Noel Butler</p>
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