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CoC, T&C's, charters etc are words on paper. There's other
words on bits of paper, that hold more weight than anything we say
or do here, yet are still ignored.<br>
<br>
If people aren't afraid to outright break the law, then a simple
CoC (which basically affirms common decency) wont do much to help. <br>
Calling these people out (appropriately / to the authorities) and
having them dealt with in that manner, causing real world
consequences, certainly can. Harboring a safe environment where
victims are not afraid to report and seek help, also can.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/10/18 13:26, Peter Tonoli wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:20181001032655.Horde.0Rp0VwsdaLTh9MfFCdcMGOr@collabra.metaverse.org">To
keep on charter, perhaps we need to look at preventing these
issues in future?
<br>
<br>
Looking at the AusNOG website, and the AusNOG 2018 conference
sites - they appear, through my cursory look, to be devoid of a
code of conduct, or similar. Perhaps, as a community, a good start
would be implementing a Code of Conduct - an example I can think
of is Linux Australia's, at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://linux.conf.au/attend/code-of-conduct/">https://linux.conf.au/attend/code-of-conduct/</a> .
<br>
<br>
Cheers,
<br>
Peter.
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting Robert Hudson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com"><hudrob@gmail.com></a>:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">I tend to agree with Paul - if the list
charter means we can't discuss a
<br>
bloody serious issue about how some of our community behave (and
the fact
<br>
that this behaviour is inappropriate), then I don't think I want
to be on
<br>
this list any more.
<br>
<br>
Sweep this sort of thing under the carpet (and make no mistake,
that's
<br>
EXACTLY what the "STOP THREAD" was doing), and you're just
enabling it to
<br>
continue.
<br>
<br>
If such behaviour was reported within the ITPA membership and
the
<br>
accusation was found to be true, the perpetrator would be
excluded from the
<br>
organisation. Period.
<br>
<br>
I guess we find ourselves at a point where we find out what sort
of group
<br>
AusNOG wants to be.
<br>
<br>
Regards,
<br>
<br>
Robert
<br>
<br>
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 10:07, Paul Wilkins
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com"><paulwilkins369@gmail.com></a> wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Where large chunks of our lives are
winding up on line, I find it
<br>
problematic where discussion of endemic problems get ruled
outside the
<br>
terms of service. It leaves the problem to fester. Discussion
should be
<br>
legitimate where there's no names, so no libel.
<br>
<br>
Also, the police will only involve themselves in instances of
criminal
<br>
behaviour. Most inappropriate workplace behaviour falls short
and they
<br>
won't be interested.
<br>
<br>
Kind regards
<br>
<br>
Paul Wilkins
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 12:46, David Hughes
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:david@hughes.com.au"><david@hughes.com.au></a> wrote:
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<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
*Bevan*,
<br>
<br>
Any allegation of sexual harassment is a very serious matter
and I
<br>
encourage you to raise these issues with the appropriate
authorities. The
<br>
police are in the best position to deal with such
allegations. If I can
<br>
be of any assistance please don’t hesitate to contact me
directly, off-list.
<br>
<br>
<br>
*To the members of the list* - I’m sure any of you would
agree that any
<br>
form of sexual harassment is not acceptable. As such,
there is no reason
<br>
for you to follow-up to Bevan’s post. There is nothing to
debate here.
<br>
Please note that this is a STOP THREAD post. Please see the
list charter
<br>
below if you do not understand your obligations with
relation to a STOP
<br>
THREAD.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ausnog.net/mailing_list/charter">https://www.ausnog.net/mailing_list/charter</a>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
David
<br>
...
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