<div dir="ltr"><div>So I'd finished reading the <a href="https://www.oaic.gov.au/engage-with-us/submissions/public-consultation-on-the-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-2018-submission-to-department-of-home-affairs">submission of the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner</a> and it struck me as pretty light touch (not so very surprising). Today Google turns up the <a href="https://hrawards.humanrights.gov.au/submissions/telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-draft-bill-2018">submission of the Australian Human Right Commission</a> . Whew! It's extensive and detailed, and full of criticism, particularly around where, in their opinion, the Bill is unlawful where it contradicts Australia's obligations under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, where invasion of privacy needs to be "necessary and proportionate" to the threat. Which is all very well and sets the scene for possible High Court challenge if the Bill becomes law. All it needs is someone prepared to risk prison on the odds of creating a precedent.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Paul Wilkins<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 at 11:45, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Submission from<font size="2"> BSA | The Software Alliance (</font><font size="2">BSA</font><font size="2">), <br></font></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.bsa.org/~/media/Files/Policy/Data/09102018BSACommentsAssistanceandAccessBill2018.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.bsa.org/~/media/Files/Policy/Data/09102018BSACommentsAssistanceandAccessBill2018.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family:sans-serif"> <font size="2">BSA’s members include: Adobe, Amazon Web Services, ANSYS, Apple, Autodesk, AVEVA, Baseplan Software, Bentley Systems, Box, CA Technologies, Cad Pacific/Power Space, Cad Pacific, Cisco, CNC/Mastercam, DataStax,DocuSign, IBM, Informatica, Intel, Mathworks, Microsoft, Okta, Oracle, PTC, Salesforce, SAS Institute, Siemens PLM Software, Splunk, Symantec, TrendMicro, Trimble Solutions Corporation, and Workday. <br></font></div><div style="font-family:sans-serif"><font size="2"><br></font></div><div style="font-family:sans-serif"><p>Kind Regards <br>
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<p>Paul Wilkins</p></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 at 08:53, Nick Stallman <<a href="mailto:nick@agentpoint.com" target="_blank">nick@agentpoint.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Governments have the power to pass any bill they want, and they
can waive around any sovereign rights they want as well.<br>
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<p>It doesn't mean the bills will match reality.<br>
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<div class="m_9068446747140636964m_-7017029081367375123moz-cite-prefix">On 13/09/18 15:13, Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
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<div>Mark,</div>
<div>An enabler? I wish. The government is perfectly capable of
passing the Assistance and Access Bill without my help. <br>
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<div>There's a compelling argument that encryption doesn't
negate the sovereign right of the Crown to conduct wiretap
surveillance subject to judicial writ. I recognise the need to
extend judicial writ to the cyber domain. So do plenty of
other people, inside and outside of government, so it's
happening, regardless of the objections of hardline privacy
advocates.<br>
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<div>I want this regime to be effective and implemented
properly, with checks and balances consistent with a liberal
democracy, and proportionate to the need for privacy. If I
contribute to the process, it's to ensure a better outcome
than had I stood idle and silent.</div>
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<div>Kind regards</div>
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<div>Paul Wilkins<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 12:58, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@gmail.com" target="_blank">markzzzsmith@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">You realise you're being an enabler don't you?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu., 13 Sep. 2018, 09:35 Paul Wilkins,
<<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>>
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<div style="margin-left:40px">If there were an
equivalent to certificate transparency logs for our
data retention laws and for these proposed technical
assistance requests, you could be sure that they'd
be used much more responsibly and sparingly.<br>
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I like this idea, a lot.<br>
<br>
In my submission I raised the possibility of a single
agency acting as a clearing house for judicial writs,
and issuing per warrant SSL certificates to secure
warrant data as part of the process. The idea to have
them implement certificate transparency is excellent,
and I'd support any representation to government
urging them to resource such efforts. However, it's
going to be a struggle, given where, if you've
noticed, gov.au is not yet DNSSEC signed - which I
find deliciously ironic, the government issuing itself
new powers to protect our cyber security, while their
whole TLD flaps in the breeze...<br>
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Kind regards<br>
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Paul Wilkins<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 21:52, Paul Gear
<<a href="mailto:ausnog@libertysys.com.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ausnog@libertysys.com.au</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On
12/09/18 17:04, Mark Newton wrote:<br>
> ...<br>
> There is no democratic brake on the advancement
of the intelligence<br>
> community’s powers, they continue to do whatever
the hell they want,<br>
> with no recourse.<br>
> ...<br>
<br>
^ This. Those in power continue to wield it in ways
which benefit<br>
themselves rather than all of us. I'm not sure what
the entire solution<br>
is, but part of it surely must include being open to
scrutiny by the<br>
general public. If there were an equivalent to
certificate transparency<br>
logs for our data retention laws and for these
proposed technical<br>
assistance requests, you could be sure that they'd be
used much more<br>
responsibly and sparingly.<br>
<br>
I would also add that nor is there a brake on the
advancement of Silicon<br>
Valley's powers. Imagine if the same public (or
near-public) scrutiny<br>
were available for the decisions that large Internet,
financial, and<br>
advertising firms make about us...<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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